Brian Joubert Leaves Me Cold

Ladskater · Dec 30, 2006

Okay his long program - thanks to Kurt Browning was much better than his short. Usually Brian Joubert leaves me cold when it comes to watching his programs. He does not connect to the music and his costumes drive me nuts. I was prepared not to like his long program after seeing his short - the 007 theme, but have to say Kurt did a great job in choreography. I am not a big Brian Joubert fan, but he did have a good skate at the Grand Prix final.

Wolfgang · Dec 30, 2006

He sure does jump a lot, but imho, he lacks in the 'artistry' department.
A survey of some ladies here at my rink says he's 'too pretty'....make of that what you will.

chuckm · Dec 30, 2006

I think Brian lacks the charisma of a Plushenko or a Lambiel. But that is just my opinion.

Mathman · Dec 30, 2006

I think he's a sweetheart!

emma · Dec 30, 2006

Somehow I thought the thread title said: Brian Joubert leaves McCleod, and I was like -- HUH???? Ok, now I get it.

He's not my favorite, but I so love watching him this season - he is just on and skating well. He doesn't have the charism of say, Plushy or Yags - but perhaps with some confidence he will learn to project it? If not, just skating clean, landing his jumps and continuing to improve his spins is good enough for me. And, I hope it continues like this. How amazing would Worlds be if he were spot on, Takaheshi were spot on, Oda - on, Lambiel not injured and on, Buttle not injured and on and dare I even mention the Americans??? That would be fun.

Vodka Shot · Dec 30, 2006

He's a great ice jumper but, this is figure skating. And I know it's not his fault but, his PCS are so inflated it makes me not want to even watch skating anymore.

SeaniBu · Dec 30, 2006

Mathman said:
I think he's a sweetheart!

:agree:

He has the look, but crying in a "Nemo / Matrix" outfit is not going to help his "tough side" any. Keanu (sp) didn't cry in that movie did he??? Anyhoo, I can understand - I get teary pretty easy too - but "sweatheart" does fit nicely.

I do however think "I do get him" what I have seen this year anyway (LPs only) - he has talent and Kurt's choreography and music choice really rocked (that outfit??? so close to cool!). He does seem a bit conceded, but hey, can you blame him? Young, most of his countries ladies are hot for him, and every time he is in a comp the obligatory "shirt off shot" backstage. You get that much petting and it is bound to go to your head. Didn't the guy date Miss. France or something like that???

Personally, that many quads and fawning, that is when you care about what you want to.

Mathman · Dec 30, 2006

SeaniBu said:
(that outfit??? so close to cool!).

SO CLOSE!!! Just lose that half-cape wingy looking thing and he'll have it!

SeaniBu · Dec 30, 2006

Mathman said:
SO CLOSE!!! Just lose that half-cape wingy looking thing and he'll have it!

I guess I have said that just to too many times? Sorry. But precisely:agree: The "tribal design" on the right arm was "wicked cool." It is as though 2 different people designed it. Jessie James gets one side and Christopher Lowell on the other.

Zanzibar · Dec 31, 2006

He's one of the manly men - I think he's just fine being who he is - and the sport needs him.

slutskayafan21 · Dec 31, 2006

He leaves me a bit cold too but he can get up and rotate those jumps and land all those difficult jumps securely. Sometimes that is all you need these days. I am not sure the same can be said of any of his current competitors, and I am talking all key jumps-including secure quads and triple axels in both short and long.

dutchherder · Dec 31, 2006

It's interesting. When he first arrived on the scene, I liked him. Then, when he seemed as if he'd gotten too big for his breeches, I wrote him off. Now that he seems so focused and determined, I'm back on his side. :agree:

SeaniBu · Dec 31, 2006

Zanzibar said:
He's one of the manly men - I think he's just fine being who he is - and the sport needs him.

He looks that way, masculine, and I go for the new definition of "manly men" being as a good balance of "tough yet tender." It takes a man IMO to be in touch with both sides. But he still seems to be a sweetie.:agree: He does fit in there with someone like Kurt B, yet a little more "extrovertibly" tender. A guy I can picture in "photo shoots with puppies," and then roughing it up on the field with his buddies playing some Futball. But that is just me, ask a non follower of FS and they might have a completely different take. My Nephew's fiancee' for example thought he wasn't exactly manly in the typical sense, Handsome, but nothing that personified "manliness" to her anyway.

Joesitz (RIP) · Dec 31, 2006

He's come a long way from 'total wooden' to a bareable artist. He's got three more Olys to improve at that pace to win in 2010. Let's see.

Joe

doug_log · Dec 31, 2006

It's nice that he's pushing the jump envelope. Artistically, the Japanese men, the Americans, the Canadians, and Lambiel have him beat.

He's also not as refined as those other skaters, either. He get sloppy sometimes, but he has a passion and power in his skating that is very nice and encouraging.

slutskayafan21 · Dec 31, 2006

doug_log said:
It's nice that he's pushing the jump envelope. Artistically, the Japanese men, the Americans, the Canadians, and Lambiel have him beat.

He's also not as refined as those other skaters, either. He get sloppy sometimes, but he has a passion and power in his skating that is very nice and encouraging.

The judges PC scores, even going back to last year, dont indicate they feel Joubert is beat by any of those guys on the second mark, except maybe Lambiel or Buttle, and only by a small margin in their case.

Mathman · Dec 31, 2006

3 quads = 8.5 PCSs.

Joesitz (RIP) · Dec 31, 2006

Mathman said:
3 quads = 8.5 PCSs.

When will we get separate PCS judges? It will revolutionize the scoring system.

Joe

Mathman · Dec 31, 2006

About the separate judging panels, they tried it experimentally last year but ran into an unexpected problem. Namely, there was nothing for the judges on the "technical panel" to do.

The judges who judged only the second mark reportedly were OK with it, but the only thing the other judges contributed was the GOEs on technical elements. Most of these are zeros (routine execution), with a few obvious -1's and -2's for mistakes, so those judges were bored -- they felt like they weren't doing any real judging.

A possible solution would be to do away with the technical specialist and give that function over to the first panel of judges. So, for instance, in a controversial case like Lambiel's triple Axel, each judge would judge what he saw, rather than having the judges' opinions automatically overruled by the tech specialist.

Joesitz (RIP) · Dec 31, 2006

Mathman said:
About the separate judging panels, they tried it experimentally last year but ran into an unexpected problem. Namely, there was nothing for the judges on the "technical panel" to do.

The judges who judged only the second mark reportedly were OK with it, but the only thing the other judges contributed was the GOEs on technical elements. Most of these are zeros (routine execution), with a few obvious -1's and -2's for mistakes, so those judges were bored -- they felt like they weren't doing any real judging.

A possible solution would be to do away with the technical specialist and give that function over to the first panel of judges. So, for instance, in a controversial case like Lambiel's triple Axel, each judge would judge what he saw, rather than having the judges' opinions automatically overruled by the tech specialist.

Interesting post and a good proposed solution.
The tech specialist should go - much too powerful, imo.

I would augment this further by having half the tech judges on one 50 yd line and the other half on the opposite 50 yard line.

Joe

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