These are what top 4 at Olympics should have been!
These should have been the results of the Olympics:
4)Zhang/Zhang-pity medal for courage
2)Delobel/Schoenfeldner-robbed as usual
3)Denkova/Stavinski-judges screwed them over
3)Takahashi-totally ripped off in long program scores
4)Lambiel-fell on like half of his jumps, as did Buttle
1)Suguri-made same mistakes/jumps as Arakawa, better skater then Shizuka
4)Arakawa-same mistakes/jumps as Suguri, not nearly as good a skater
Suguri #1? Arakawa #4? Were we watching the same Olys? :
Suguri has always been a better skater then Arakawa. Look at their head to head, Suguri wins 80% of the time. Yet at the Olympics they go there and do the same jumps, both made a similar mistake in the long, and Shizuka is suddenly the one 16 points higher? It is obvious the Japanese federation chose Arakawa as the one to support and not Suguri, but Suguri has always been the better skater, look at their history.
Arakawa's skating is just jumps for me. Her posture is horrable, her spins are slow, her spirals arent even real spirals, her footwork is nowhere near Fumie's, she is reserved and does not relate to music or the audience.
Last edited by iloveaxel; 02-07-2007 at 08:03 PM.
Suguri vs Arakawa career head to head:
95 Junior Japanese Championships - Arakawa 1st, Suguri 10th
96 Junior Japanese Championships- Arakawa 1st, Suguri 2nd
96 World Junior Championships- Arakawa 7th, Suguri 4th
96 NHK Trophy- Arakawa 7th, Suguri 6th
97 Junior Japanese Championships- Arakawa 1st, Suguri 2nd
97 World Junior Championships- Arakawa 8th, Suguri 4th
97 Japanese Championshps- Arakawa 2nd, Suguri 1st
97 NHK Trophy- Arakawa 6th, Suguri 5th
98 Japanese Championahips- Arakawa 1st, Suguri 2nd
98 NHK Trophy- Arakawa 8th, Suguri 3rd
99 Japanese Championships- Arakawa 1st, Suguri 2nd
2000 Japanese Championships- Arakawa 3rd, Suguri 5th
2001 Japanese Championships- Arakawa 2nd, Suguri 1st
2001 Four Continents- Arakawa 6th, Suguri 1st
2002 Japanese Championshps- Arakawa 2nd, Suguri 1st
2002 NHK Trophy- Arakawa 3rd, Suguri 4th
2003 Japanese Championships- Arakawa 3rd, Suguri 1st
2003 Asian Games - Arakawa 1st, Suguri 2nd
2003 Four Continents- Arakawa 2nd, Suguri 1st
2003 GP final - Arakawa 4th, Suguri 6th
2003 World Championships - Arakawa 8th, Suguri 3rd
2004 GP final - Arakawa 3rd, Suguri 1st
2004 Japanese Nationals- Arakawa 3rd, Suguri 2nd
2004 World Championships- Arakawa 1st, Suguri 7th
2005 World Championships - Arakawa 9th, Suguri 5th
2006 Japanese Nationals- Arakawa 3rd, Suguri 1st
Going into the 2006 Olympics Suguri leads 16-10 head to head. Yet with both skating with the same jumps and the same 1 mistake in the long Arakawa is a whopping 16 points ahead all of the sudden.
Scott Hamilton commentating on Arakawa at the 98 Olympics-"if you follow figure skating in the United States, you would probably think she is a junior or even novice skater by just the way she carries herself, posture, line." She has come a long way since then. I think she is more of a late bloomer then Suguri.
It just goes to show you that the new judging system isn't any better than the old one. It still can be manipulated and they can still have whomever they want come out on top. I'm not dissing Shizuka. I think she's a lovely lady, but I do think Fumie should have been rated higher.
Shizuka just PMed me to say that she saw this thread and decided that the only fair thing to do was to give her gold medal back to Speedy and return the 100,000,000 yen that she has earned so far on exhibitions, personal appearances and endorsements.
Shizuka deserved her gold medal, no question in my mind. She skated with much better flow and polish and speed than Suguri did at the Olympics. Fumie's Olympic season programs were not good vehicles for her and they did not show off the finest aspects of her skating.
Is that the superior flow, speed, and polish Shizuka has used to lose to Suguri in 16 of their 26 head to head competitions? Most of the times coming when Suguri either made big mistakes, or when both were juniors.
Originally Posted by dancindiva03
I didn't say that OVERALL Shizuka has better flow, speed and polish than Fumie (though I think she does, anyway), but she did when it mattered at the Olympics. Fumie had no spark in her skating in Torino, and like I said perhaps it was her programs that did her in. The did not highlight the good flow and smoothness and lightness that she has in her skating. Shizuka's program fit her better and as a result, she presented it better and deservingly won the gold medal.
Originally Posted by temperboy28
Originally Posted by iloveaxel
Any "case" that doesn't have Arakawa in first is seriously flawed. She deserved the win. The question is whether suguri deserved to be on the podium or not. And with 2 falls Cohen's 2nd place is definitely questionable to many.
But that's all I'm gonna say in this thread. This is long over and I feel no need to really re-hash what has already happened.
The only part that I agree with you is the pairs' placement. Zhang/Zhang should get 4th. In other disciplines, I think the Olympics results were fair.
Originally Posted by temperboy28
Although I was sad for Slutskaya and Cohen, and wished either one of them could win over Arakawa, Arakawa deserved gold. In my opinion, she is a much more inspiring skater than Suguri. For the reason unknown, Suguri's skating never moved me much.
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why bring this up now? *color me confused*
I was thinking the same thing.