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    Judging controversy

    Is Emily Hughes really better than Joannie at PCS. The commentators at Eurosport expressed their surprise and were skeptic about the judges scores, saying that PCS judging isn't good.

    Another thing!! I looked at the protocols and judges gave a +1 or even +2 GOE for the non completed combo of Emily. My question is, it is permitted to give such a high GOE for non completed combos? I think there might be a -GOE, or not?
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    And Cop was supposed to PREVENT all this.

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    I doubt any judging system they come up with will be able to have 100% of the fans in agreement that it was right, just, and fair.

    We skating fans are skeptics

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    I had some serious questions about the judging here following the mens and ladies competitions, particularly about whether or not the judges understand the PCS properly. Lysacek being equal to Buttle in PCS for his relatively simple Carmen choreography was one instance. I had another couple in the ladies, first off the Hughes vs. Rochette PCS question, but also the very high PCS for Czisny, who is a lovely skater and on a good day has excellent skills. But this was not a good day, and surely, falling three times in a program has to somehow effect the PCS marks?

    I also question the amount of deduction given for repeating jumps without combinations that could have really made a difference in the Rochette-Hughes positioning. It seems that because Hughes did the illegal jumps in the back half of her program, in spite of the violation she still received the bonus for doing jumps after the halfway mark. This meant, along with her getting 80 per cent credit of the base value, that there was little penalty for a blatant violation of the rules. Perhaps this needs to be tweaked so there is more consequence for such violations.

    I think Lysacek's big PCS came from his jump content, which is not how the PCS is supposed to work. Buttle should have beaten him soundly on a number of the categories.

    I don't know where Hughes' big PCS came from. She was beaten by Rochette in the technical score, and I have to say, she does not have an overall better program or skating skills than Rochette, so it seems a little inexplicable. Was it hometown advantage?

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    Emily

    Emily has been notoriously overmarked for how long?

    But come on, this is U.S., it's no suprise that Emily got some hometown advantage. Every host country does the same.


    I doubt she can sustain that kind of PCS at worlds.

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    There is no explanation. The offensive PC scores alloted to the very undeserving Emily Hughes is another example of the judges willing to give out marks that are not reflective of the standard of certain skaters, insulting the integrity of the sport and offending true fans of the sport who want to see what is fair and right in the true spirit of competition. Emily Hughes is one of the skaters handpicked by the judging community to be anointed into a position not merited through her skating standard and thus will receive scores in certain areas-including PC scores, that are inflated to what her skating alone would merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittycat26 View Post
    There is no explanation. The offensive PC scores alloted to the very undeserving Emily Hughes is another example of the judges willing to give out marks that are not reflective of the standard of certain skaters, insulting the integrity of the sport and offending true fans of the sport who want to see what is fair and right in the true spirit of competition. Emily Hughes is one of the skaters handpicked by the judging community to be anointed into a position not merited through her skating standard and thus will receive scores in certain areas-including PC scores, that are inflated to what her skating alone would merit.

    Although we argued on Buttle, I have to wholeheartedly agree with you on Emily. She has been notoriously overmarked for a long long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gio View Post
    Is Emily Hughes really better than Joannie at PCS. The commentators at Eurosport expressed their surprise and were skeptic about the judges scores, saying that PCS judging isn't good.
    Which comms? Which Nationality? Cos no controversy from Brit comm.

    When people say "comms on ES" they need to always state which ones, as there are soooooo many!

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    I wasn't surprised when Lysacek got higher PCS than Buttlle. It has seemed to me for a long time that the PCS goes up with the tech marks; Kimmie's PCS scores for her last season's program went up or down depending on whether her 3/3s were ratified.

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    I also question the GOE awarding to elements that are not in combination as well. However, I also question the way that judges seem to award +1, 2 3's to the GOE of elements such as spiral sequences held for less than 3 seconds each - technically a reduction of the level; or spins that are not held in the required position long enough to be counted but seem to be awarded + GOE's and high levels.

    Take a look at some of the spiral sequences of the skaters and count......Mira Leung is one that has been consistently awarded a Level 4 and positive GOE's on a spiral sequence where just one spiral has been held for the requisite 3 seconds, while the other 4 have been held for less - sometimes less than 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloveaxel View Post
    Although we argued on Buttle, I have to wholeheartedly agree with you on Emily. She has been notoriously overmarked for a long long time.
    The reason is a fairy obvious one in her case, atleast for me. My last name is Hughes, my big sis won an Olympics, marketing value possabilities?

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    That bias was supposed to have been fixed by the new CoP system. Under 6.0 the judges were able to 'hold up' their favorite skater. So what's happened? Once again, the perfect system appears to have developed a flaw.

    Human nature or nature of the sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittycat26 View Post
    The reason is a fairy obvious one in her case, atleast for me. My last name is Hughes, my big sis won an Olympics, marketing value possabilities?
    Exactly. She looks so sloppy to me. I mean I am generally not into 'powerful' skaters. But Joannie is definitely miles ahead of Emily in terms of every aspect of skating.

    Joannie's popped two jumps today, but that did not particularly disrupt the flow of the program. She definitely deserved higher PCS than Emily.

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    I have to agree, i really question Hughes getting better PCS than Rochette, as i did Evan over Buttle´s. I thought overall Rochette should have had the edge even with her mistakes. Meissner was strong in both and deserved winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by La Rhumba View Post
    Which comms? Which Nationality? Cos no controversy from Brit comm.

    When people say "comms on ES" they need to always state which ones, as there are soooooo many!
    Sorry!!! The Italian comms said this. In particular the former skater Angelo Dolfini.

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