Best/worst matched pairs and dance teams
Okay, so who do you think are the pairs teams who are best/worst matched and what dance teams do you think are best/worst matched? You may use any criteria you like: skating skill, how well they connect with each other/the audience, even which teams are the most visually appealing as a pair.
I know a lot of people are wild about Naomi and Themi, but they seem sort of mismatched to me. Maybe mismatched is not quite the right word, but they seem not to relate to each other at all on the ice. I know that this is only their second Nationals together but still, they look like two singles skaters that just happen to be on the ice together. I&B, technically she is far better than he is but at least they relate well to each other. Sometimes a little too well, I could do without seeing him make out with her after every performance.
In dance, in terms of a physical mismatch Davis and White come to mind. Its not just the height difference, but the proportions. He is fairly long-limbed while she has very short limbs and a long torso. However, their unison and the closeness and precision with which they skate helps them to overcome a lot of the physical differences. Conversely, Gregory & Petukhov are physically a perfect match, both tall and slim and long limbed, but not equally matched in terms of skill. Or at least they didn't used to be. She has narrowed the gap a lot in the last few years. I still think that he is technically the better one, but she balances it out by being the more expressive one. A lot like the pair if Ina & Zimmerman. She was very technical but sometimes cold and remote in competitions, while he was very expressive and outgoing but not always as neat and precise as she was.
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I agree about Davis and White.
I think also Denkova and Staviyski.. she is almost the same height as him.
I know they are retired, but Kristy Sargeant and Kris Wirtz come to mind. She was too heavy for a small guy like him.
Trixie Schuba's biggest fan!
Mismatched in terms of ability-- Fusar-Poli and Margaglio
I guess some might see this as a good match, but to me, he almost always took a backseat to her in their skating, so to me it's not a good match -- Grischuk and Platov
Another team where the man seemed to take a back seat to me are Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze. After they broke up they seemed not to relate well to one another. They are good enough actors that they can fake it, but it always seemed like Yelena had this glossy-eyed look; like she was somewhere else and just going through the motions.
With the current crop, sometimes I find Zhang and Zhang to be...mismatched. I don't know what it is--I just don't feel moved by them.
Rooting for the divas with Kwanford
I love Davis and White as a couple. They skate so well together that it doesn't even occur to me they might be considered a mismatch. More like a pair of perfectly matched opposites - salt and pepper, red and white wine, black & white chesspieces...
Shen & Zhao
Amazing match. Well suited in terms of height and abilities AND they relate beautfully to each other and the audience. Absolutely phenomenal.
Rooting for the divas with Kwanford
Yes, and it can never be said too often! (And I'm not being sarcastic!)
The Shadow knows...
best matches for pairs
Gordeeva and Grinkov, Sale and Pelletier...
Hoffman/Elek really don't seem matched to me .They've skated together since they were youngsters and she has overtaken him.Nora is a beautiful dancer and a better skater than him IMO .Atilla is too short and they have never looked quite right to me especially when they do low spins it looks a little weird .It's a shame .There were rumours they were splitting last year .Such a shame for them this year with the injury .
In Love with Ice Dance!
Originally Posted by Spun Silver
ITA! Davis and White are so good together, even with the mismatch, I couldn't picture them skating with anyone else!
Abitbol and Bernadis: Style wise and technical wise, very well suited.
Dubriel and Lauzon
No-So Strong Matches:
Lang and Tchernyshev: He was always stronger and they never really gel perfectly; nevertheless they did put out some nice programs and she did improve a great deal.
Langlois and Archetto: Individually they were strong which help them create some success, but just not the right pairing.
Matt Savoie~Soul Skater
Themi & NNN ( he needs more upper body strength)
Obertas & Slavnov (ditto)
Matthews & Zavozin
Last edited by CzarinaAnya; 02-23-2007 at 05:50 PM.
I only saw Weaver and Poje skate their FD and exhibition at Canadians but I really thought that they were very well matched physically.
Although I love Dube and Davison, they strike me as being an odd match physically speaking. Jessica seems much more compact while Bryce seems a bit gangly and thin. Maybe if he fills out more I will have a different impression.
I see I commented on the appearance of a pairs/dance match rather than skills. Does anyone know if skateres' appearance together can affect judging? Have judges ever told a pair or dance couple that they should change their appearance to better match each other or even find new partners?
I have heard of teams being told by judges that they "prefer" when the girl looks like x and the boy looks like y. For example, I know of one incident with judges telling a pairs team that they like the look of a short, blonde girl matched with a tall, dark haired boy. And that a girl looks good on the ice when she looks tanned. The (brunette) girl then proceeded to dye her hair blonde and go to a tanning salon. I think that subconsciously every judge has a preconception of what the "perfect" team should look like, and they judge accordingly.
Originally Posted by Fredegunda
I do think that the look of a team has an impact on how they are perceived, and that's just the way it is. There isn't a "gorgeousness" category listed on the PCs, but skaters are being judged on how they present themselves, and looks are part of it. If a dance team competed with sloppy makeup, messy hair, and tattered, dirty costumes, it wouldn't matter if they skated like T&D, other teams would beat them.
Skaters know this too, I'm sure that more than one team has been told by someone (coach, judge, whoever) that some change in appearance wouldn't be a bad thing. I mean, someone must have been told Anissina to dye her hair. Did it affect their marks? You decide.
Naomi and Themi:
I was originally quite wild about this pair. But after watching a couple of their competitions, I do feel Naomi's physique may not well equipped for pairs skating. She's compact, and has relatively big hips and butt. It really looks awkward when they do pairs elements such as death spirals, throws etc.