Help - best technique
I need help! I would like to do a collage video tape or CD of skating elements. But I don't know where to start. So I need your help. Please can you tell me who does one element perfectly, so I can include it in my collage. For example I'm sure I'll include Midori Ito for the triple axel, but for the other triples I'm unsure who could I include. I'll include the same element done by a male and then by a female skater. So for example wich female skater and which male skater does the best triple lutz...
Last edited by gio; 02-25-2007 at 07:14 AM.
Johnny Weir's triple axel (before recent events). He had flow in, 3 air rotations, travel in space, perfect landing, and flow out.
Peggy Fleming's or Dorothy Hamil's single axels with flow in and out but only a one and a half rotation. However, the rotations were delayed while in the air. One doesn't see that anymore with CoP.
Stephane Lambiel's quad toe triple toe. Gorgeous flow in and out, stretched take offs and landings. Perfect tecnique.
Denise Bielman's or Alissa Czisney's Bielman spins.
Disregard the above, if you are looking for height in the jump. Height has nothing to do with technique, it is a gift of nature.
Brian Boitano's Tano Lutz.
Shizuka Arakawa's Ina Bauer, and the lovely 3/2/2 she did at the Olympics.
Jeffrey Buttle's Ina Bauers and camel spins.
Carolina Kostner's spirals.
MY TVC 1 5
The couple (forgot/not sure on their names) that does the mirror step sequence naturally because they spin opposite. Any part of there programme compared to others might be interesting.
Kurt Browning's foot work is in a class by it's self.
Ina and John have the best entrance to a death-spiral and great possition IMO. But no one has said anything either way so I could be off on technique.
Irina doesn't drop her leg and hip when going into the donut spin (definitely in 05 CoR) and could be compared to just about anyone else on how they enter it.
Sasha's flying splitz jump / flying Russian eagle - or Rory Flack's
MK's Falling leaf.
That series of Flying Camels Johnny did at the Nats exhibition was pretty cool IMO. I think that is the most consecutive I remember seeing from a singles skater.
What Joe is saying about the delay in the Axel would be cool to show too IMO.
I don't know what your agenda is, But some hydro-gliding from Elvis or Shae-Lynn?
Soft landings from Fumie, choreography or artistic expression? Death drop?
Laybacks from Mirai or Caroline.
Spin centering from Alissa, Stephane Lambiel or Lucinda Ruh - Lucinda also has a FANTASTIC Beillmann spin. Her position is more impressive IMO than Denise's.
Midori's Jumps were pretty high I believe, and Plushy's might be comparable height wise??
I like Carolina's stoking - power, but I don't think her posture ranks up there. Sarah M has great posture IMO.
Last edited by SeaniBu; 02-25-2007 at 01:23 PM.
Yeah! Lets get this party started.
do you believe a delayed double axel should have the same worth as a triple axel like in pairs with a split douple twist vs. triple twist in pairs.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
Rooting for the divas with Kwanford
Spiral, fan spiral, Russian split, Y spin, layback spin, and spread eagle - Sasha. ETA: Also Charlotte.
Darn, I meant I-spin as I'm sure everyone realized.
Men's spread eagle & Ina Bauer - Jeff
Fast footwork and flying camel - Yags
Triple axel and one-handed Biellmann - Mao
Last edited by Spun Silver; 02-26-2007 at 01:00 PM.
Beliver in Sasha's Perfect Program
Sasha can pretty much do anything the best. I would have to give her the spiral and the spread eagle.
Michelle Kwan the reverse directio camel, and the sit spin
Plushy's quad triple double
Shen and Zhao's throws
Pang and Tong's triple twist
Of course not. That was the point of my last sentence. The Caller sees Axel and it is completed. It will get the base value and a +1. Why bother if one can do a 3A and even miss it for more points?
Originally Posted by enlight78
The base values in CoP are not geared for variation. Only the GoE may add on a bit. So a skater must plan a program to suit the CoP more than a program of beauty.
Tonya Harding did a triple lutz that was just amazing.
For a classic layback, Dorothy Hamill's or Angela Nikodinov's are gorgeous.
I loved Janet Lynn's one foot axel and double axel. They were very lovely.
Yagudin did some great death drops and so did Brian B.
I think Robin Cousins' delayed axel as a professional was incredible.
Originally Posted by BravesSkateFan
Come on now - i love michelle to the high heavens but best sit spin?? The back sit was a particualr problem spin for michelle and wasn't as low as her front sit, which wasn't as low as a lot of skaters at the elite level get...choose pretty much any other element except the sit!
But it was the prettiest. Straight back, well centered, just exquisite.
Same with her spiral. Sure, you can get out your protractor and ask if someone else has more degrees of split, but meh? It's how she looked doing it!
Come to think of it, there is also her "heart" layback.
And her Y-spin. (Someone already mentioned her split jump.)
Thank you guys for all the examples.
What about the other triples (salchow, toe loop, loop and flip)? Any suggestion? And the camel spin?
For the triple lutz I'll choose Boitano and Tonya or Shizuka. What do you think?
Last edited by gio; 02-26-2007 at 01:00 PM.