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Thread: If and When I Offend........

  1. #31
    Kasey
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    Re: If and When I Offend........


    I am sure that I have some opinions I could share that would piss off and polarize folks here as well! Not just regarding war, but various skaters, types of foods, etc. Heck, isn't that what makes us unique?

    Just so you, I have been reading the posts here for a week or so before starting to post myself, and I haven't been offended....to each their own.

    Kasey

  2. #32
    rgirl181
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    Re: If and When I Offend........


    Another George Carlin fan. Cool!
    Rgirl

  3. #33
    Joesitz
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    Re: If and When I Offend........


    rGirl - You are out of order and absolutely wrong to make false statements!!! I was the only moderator at the time and I did send PM to Fetal to delete or change the signature piece. Don't ever start rumors like that again. Cynic did get a PM too.

    Also your defence interventions does not cover everyone in the forum but only those you choose. That's ok, but let it be known that you do this.

    Joesitz

  4. #34
    Mathman3
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    Re: If and When I Offend........


    Joe, I think you're being too hard on Rgirl. I think that (for once ) she was trying to be a peacemaker on this thread, or at least trying to clear up misunderstandings of previous posts.

    One big happy.

    Mathman

  5. #35
    rgirl181
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    Re: If and When I Offend........


    Joe,
    You said in your post,
    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>rGirl - You are out of order and absolutely wrong to make false statements!!! I was the only moderator at the time and I did send PM to Fetal to delete or change the signature piece. Don't ever start rumors like that again. Cynic did get a PM too.[/quote] I think perhaps you misread my post to Fetal. I'd appreciate it if you reread it and also read the post by Fetal I was responding to. <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Fetal, Just to clarify, Cynic was making the comparison that you didn't get posts from any of the moderators telling you to remove your religious signature for months, while she got two very pointed warnings within 24 hours that she had not removed her signature, even though it was just because she had a computer problem. If anybody doesn't remember the tons of fire and brimstone you got from a certain poster (a few others of us also got a taste of it, though we didn't get the tonnage), then they weren't reading GS.[/quote] Note that it says, "Cynic was making the comparison that you [Fetal] didn't get <strong>posts</strong> from any of the moderators telling you to remove your religious signature for months, while she got two very pointed warnings within 24 hours that she had not removed her signature..." I never said you didn't send Fetal any PMs. I know you sent him many PMs, but I was addressing a single and specific issue in this post. Also, I never said you didn't send Cynic any PMs. In a previous post, I <em>asked</em> if you had sent her a PM, but that's all. (I never got a reply from you on that, not that you were obligated to do so.) I'm sorry if I didn't explain the entire situation with both Fetal and Cynic adequately, but I think for you to say that I was starting "rumors" is incorrect and unfair. This is the second time since Friday ("Sasha's Programs" re my response to Realistic, see link)that you've blown up over a post I've written and accused me, basically, of trying to make trouble. pub94.ezboard.com/fgolden...81&stop=95
    I apologized online for any misunderstandings the post replying to Realistic on the "Sasha's Programs" thread might have caused and promised not to post again on that issue. I also apologized for several things and tried to explain my POV to you via PM.

    You also wrote: <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I was the only moderator at the time..."[/quote] I'm sorry if I was mistaken, but I was going by the information on the "Moderators and Hosts" link under "Forum Info" on the main page, which is the same information in the following post from Paula in the Feedback folder:
    pub94.ezboard.com/fgolden...D=53.topic
    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>GSK8
    Administrator
    ezSupporter
    Forum Moderators
    Posted: 4/28/02 12:07:39 pm
    Currently, the below hold the following positions:

    Joesitz - Forum Moderator
    SkateDustin - Forum Moderator
    sk8ing lady2001 - Forum Moderator
    sk8wave - Forum Host[/quote] I've never been able to find a post or anything in the forum guidelines stating a change from that policy, although I know that new moderators were chose about a month ago. If I missed an announcement that you were the only moderator or should have known by some other means, I'm sorry. I know you always did virtually all the moderating work; I was just trying to be accurate and fair to who I thought were the other moderators. My mistake.

    Finally you said: <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Also your defence interventions does not cover everyone in the forum but only those you choose. That's ok, but let it be known that you do this.[/quote] Of course in those cases where I feel an individual poster has been misunderstood, misquoted, or mistreated in a serious enough way that I should say something it's a person I choose. Everybody "chooses" whom they defend. Some chose to defend Fetal in his situation while others chose to defend Paula in her position on that matter. However, for one thing, I haven't just defended individuals; I've also defended the forum as a whole on a number of occasions, most recently: "As for your feeling that there are frequent group bashings of individual posters on GS, with that I mus disagree. Having been around for years, I don't think I've ever seen a true group bashing."
    pub94.ezboard.com/fgolden...81&stop=95
    Ultimately, I'm just stating my opinion.

    I have my point of view on things, Joe, just as you and everyone does. But if you think I have a "list" of only certain people I "defend" and a "list" of those I won't, or that I would only defend posters who agree with my point of view, you couldn't be more wrong. To go to what I think is at the heart of the matter, if I saw a Kwan fan being misunderstood, misquoted, or mistreated, I would say something about it. In fact, I have. Back in January, when Apache Apache started a thread entitled "Michelle's Spins"
    pub94.ezboard.com/fgolden...=1&stop=20
    a few posters then and previously had suggested that Apache was starting negative threads about Michelle. I felt some people misunderstood where Apache was coming from and tried to gently address the situation. Since Apache quoted me in his response, I will list his post here. However I've also provided the link to the entire page of posts, which includes mine, so you and others can read it if they wish. In fact, I wish you would read not only my post but those in response to my post as well.
    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>ApacheApache
    New Post Re: Michelle's spins
    Posted: 1/13/03 12:31:19 pm
    Rgirl said "Just to clarify something about ApacheApache, since s/he doesn't often post here. For those who might not be familiar with ApacheApache, s/he has stated in previous posts that he is new to skating so he asks a lot of questions, and also, that the only reason he even became interested in skating was because of Michelle, whom he absolutely loves. Without Michelle, AA has said he wouldn't even have paid attention to skating. So ApacheApache is a true Kwan fan, just so that's clear."

    Rgirl, thanks so much. I appreciate it. I can't believe you remember that <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> .[/quote]pub94.ezboard.com/fgolden...21&stop=40

    In general, I think--in fact I know--a few people have pigeonholed me as being a "Kwan hater" and as someone who "lumps all Kwan fans together [as being crazy]." It's not true, it's never been true, yet I am judged by a few people (and I do emphasize "few" because that's all I know of) by sheer inference and a couple of sentences taken out of context from a couple of posts written three years ago, despite everything I've written since. (If anybody is interested in these "infamous" posts, again, you can PM me.)

    It's also been said by a few that the "Detente" thread was yet another example of me being a troublemaker. For what it's worth, with the "Detente" thread, I was trying to provide a forum where people could discuss problems between Kwan fans and nonKwan fans in the hope of improving relations and communication. Obviously improved relations and communication was not the result; that was my intent, but it is my failure. I have also been described as the poster who "spreads negativity throughout [GS]." (I won't post a link for that last quote, but if people want verification of it, they can PM me.) When this kind of thing comes from a few people I don't know and who don't know me (and it has for years), or people I know can't stand me and never will, I don't care. But when it comes from people I consider "forum friends," it hurts.

    Joe, as always, you (and anyone) are welcome to PM me about any problems you feel I am creating. In fact I wish you would.
    Rgirl

  6. #36
    Mathman3
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    Re: If and When I Offend........


    Oh my goodness, where to begin? I suppose I should just shut up. ... Nahhhh.

    1. Since this is supposedly a thread about Sk8Cynic apologizing to the group for her war-related custom signature, I'll start there. Anyone who has been reading all the threads about the war will understand that Cynic and I have different opinions about the war itself. We also have a large (and growing as we get to know each other better) commonality of interest, mainly in that we both hope that the hostilities can be concluded quickly with a minimum of bloodshed.

    It was cool that Sk8Cynic respected the opinions and the feelings of other members of the forum so much that she took immediate steps to remove all traces of the offending lines -- if it had been I, I don't think I would have been so dilligent.

    I felt that Sk8Cynic went out of her way to put the interests of the Golden Skate community before her own intensely held views.

    2. When Sk8Cynic attacked Eltamina for being overly critical of Sasha, I thought that she (Cynic) was over the top. I felt that this was one of those instances where the point could have been made without emotional hyperbole. Once again, just taking a few minutes "time out" before you jump to the keyboard does wonders for one's disposition. For that matter, even after you post you can always go back and reshape your thoughts using more measured language. (I have done this many, many times when I got angry -- as Red Dog for one will well remember :lol: ).

    3. Rgirl is not a Kwan hater. I can verify that she defended Apache (a Kwaniac) because when I complained on the forum about how Apache worded some of his questions, Rgirl wrote me a long PM in which she went to the trouble of quoting many of Apache's posts verbatim just to convince me that Apache was a straight-up kind of guy. Nor does she lump all Kwan fans together and think they are crazy (just me :lol: ).

    She did the same when I was arguing with Kwan-neutral Red Dog, BTW.

    4. "For what it's worth, with the "Detente" thread, I was trying to provide a forum where people could discuss problems between Kwan fans and nonKwan fans in the hope of improving relations and communication. Obviously improved relations and communication was not the result." -- Rgirl

    For what it's worth, the Detante thread and the Michelle thread that led up to it, DID improve relations. I at least finally -- DUH -- started to understand why non-Kwans get annoyed at all the uncritical Kwan-gushing as if that is the entirety of figure skating. Conversely, if the non-Kwans seem to make their point too loudly at times, well, when you are in the minority you have to talk louder to make yourself heard.

    (I found the ideal solution. When I can't stand it any longer I go to Michelle Kwan World and gush to my heart's content.)

    5. About Fetal. I support Paula 100%. There is a fine line between the concepts of freedom of speech and of fouling your own nest. Paula cannot be expected to serve as babysitter for this forum, on top of her other duties.

    There. Is there anyone I haven't offended yet?

    Mathman

    PS. Read quick. I'll probably delete this post after I've thought it over.






  7. #37
    eltamina
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    skating gods, museum gods and music gods


    Just want to drop a note before our Washington DC trip. I haven’t been following this thread closely. Here are some thoughts.

    Sk8cynic, I believe we last talked in another thread, I said OK and I will try to do my part at GS. I haven’t revisit that thread to lurk or post, but my OK is still good. My computer received a virus through someone’s addy book, it is kinda messy, so I have not been searching you PM diligently. There will probably be no computer access for the next 6 – 7 days. I promise to file a report on the exhibition program with all the details of hair, costumes etc ASAP.

    Talk about conflicts, whatever happens here at GS is nothing compare to what we will be experiencing in the next few days. (Exaggerating of course)

    There is a battle among the skating gods, museum gods, and music gods and I won’t even be attending the ladies free skate on 3/29. To put a nice icing on the cake, Mr. know it all decides to find some demonstrations while we are in DC. I told him, “Nice, do what you need to do, I will be at the national gallery of art.”

    :D

  8. #38
    mathman444
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    Re: skating gods, museum gods and music gods


    Eltamina, you're going to Washington? Oh, Wow, I'm so jealous.

    Your hotel probably has internet access and computers for guest to use. Or visit the library . I think there's one right near the art gallery.

    What we really need here are reports on practice sessions and the qualifying rounds, which won't be televised.

    Mathman

  9. #39
    Jules Asner
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    Re: skating gods, museum gods and music gods


    eltamina, have fun! if you see any practice sessions please fill us in.

  10. #40
    sk8cynic
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    Re: skating gods, museum gods and music gods


    Me, too, Eltamina, me too.

    Hope you have a great trip to Worlds. Looking forward to your reports.

  11. #41
    HamiltonBrowningFan
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    Re: skating gods, museum gods and music gods


    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Consequently, Fetal Attraction had a signature line for MONTHS that slammed religion. Didn't really see anyone come down on him for that.[/quote]

    from what I understand that was one of the deciding factors as several posters emailed Fetal and we didn't get squat in return.... I think Paula just let the evidence pile against Fetal in that situation


    is mine too offensive? I'm just showing my support for my country and my president... I'm not trying to insult

  12. #42
    Grgranny
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    Re: skating gods, museum gods and music gods


    I complained about it. It still ticks me off.

  13. #43
    mathman444
    Guest

    Re: skating gods, museum gods and music gods


    Tony, your sig is so funny that no one is going to complain even if they disagree.:D

    Mathman

  14. #44
    rgirl181
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    Re: skating gods, museum gods and music gods


    Have a great time at Worlds, Eltamina--and at DC's other wonderful sites. The Hirshhorn is one of my favorite museums.

    Bummer about your computer; thanks for saying something about that. Hopefully you will be so busy having fun in DC that you'll forget about cyberspace completely

    But I do hope your hotel has online access as I'm sure Mathman would be over the moon to hear practice reports on the ladies.
    Rgirl

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