View Poll Results: who's gonna win 2010 olympics?

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  • jeffrey buttle

    28 9.52%
  • brian joubert

    53 18.03%
  • johnny weir

    30 10.20%
  • evan lysacek

    19 6.46%
  • stefan lambiel

    40 13.61%
  • daisuke takahashi

    77 26.19%
  • nobunari oda

    11 3.74%
  • others

    36 12.24%
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Thread: who's gonna win 2010 olympic part two

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    I find it funny when people say Buttle is a possible OGM candidate. That's ridiculous. That's just me though.

    I think it could be either Joubert or Plushenko. If Plushenko comes back, then I think he would need a 4t/3t/3t to win over Brian Joubert and others without question, since everything else he does the other top men are capable of doing, as well (such as the 4t/3t, which wasn't as common, say, two years ago).

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    I think it could be either Joubert or Plushenko. If Plushenko comes back, then I think he would need a 4t/3t/3t to win over Brian Joubert and others without question,
    I don't think this is completely true. For example let's look at these season. I won't count Olys scores because I will be the first to admit (and I'm a huge Plush fan) that Plush was overmarked in his FS, and also a little in his SP.

    Plush hasn't done 4-3-3 for COP so his COP marks are actually marks with one quad.

    Joubert's best SP scored is 83.64, the one he did at Worlds. And this scored is lower than three previous scores of Plush, the one at GPF in China, his Tosca CoR and his Olys SP. Now ok so the SP has the same elements and I imagine Plush's scores better than Joubert due the PCS marks.

    Their FS, Joubert's 3 quads CoR program scored 160.13 (his personal best at a FS), now I remember the three quads but I don't remember much more so I'm assuming he didn't make any other mistakes, and Plush has beat that score with 167.40 that he had at the GPF in Beijing (he scored 167.67 at Olys) and I don't think he was overscored at all at the GPF, he was truly brilliant there and that program had just one quad.

    Joubert's best total it's 240.85 and Plush has beaten that score four times, three if you don't count Olys; and from those four times just once (the Beijing GPF) he was completly clean.

    So, really by reviewing their scores, I don't think Plush will need a 4-3-3 to win over the new Joubert; I actually think just with one extra quad he'll do it. And sometimes, just doing the same he has done last season will be enough.

    Overall comparing to the rest skaters, the only one that has come close to Plush was Takahashi's NHK performance, and that score even Takahashi has said that he knows he was overscored then. IMO he wasn't in the SP but he was in the FS.

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    It's kind of tricky to compare scores earned in different competitions. I think that 2006 NHK Trophy was the competition that was by and large overmarked. Nobunari got very high score as well. Takahashi has great artistry, but Plush seems to be stronger in jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleaxel View Post
    I find it funny when people say Buttle is a possible OGM candidate. That's ridiculous. That's just me though.
    I don't know if he could get the OGM but I would LOVE to see him on the podium because his skating is so beautiful

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    I think a clean Lambiel would be a bigger threat to Plushenko then a clean Joubert. Lambiel could score much higher then the 83.64 Joubert got at Worlds if he did a clean short with a quad and a triple axel. He could also score much higher in the free program then Joubert ever could if he landed all his jumps, unless Joubert used his 3 quads and a maxed out jump layout which he never does. Of course Joubert is much more consistent then Lambiel, and much more likely to do a clean program though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morninglight View Post
    It's kind of tricky to compare scores earned in different competitions. I think that 2006 NHK Trophy was the competition that was by and large overmarked. Nobunari got very high score as well. Takahashi has great artistry, but Plush seems to be stronger in jumps.
    I thought Takahashi's scores at NHK were fine, Oda's were too high though.

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    morninglight, I do agree that it's hard to compare how two skaters based on their marks in differents events, but the point I was trying to make is that Evgeni has scored higher than Joubert on a regular basis, and with Evgeni not always being at his best or completly clean.

    I do think Lambiel, if he gets a consistent triple axels could challenge Plushenko since he gets the sames PCS scores than Plush.

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    To be honest I think Joubert would have been a bigger threat to Plushy under the old 6.0 system then the current one. People are led to believe Joubert is almost unbeatable by this season but none of his main competitors skated great competitions in any of the events he was in. A clean Lambiel would beat him everytime. A clean Takahashi would probably have most times this season even with his current jump content-and if Takahashi adds a quad in the short, and a second in the free, he even more obviously will. A clean Oda could even be competitive because of his level 4 elements, and huge GOEs, even without a quad. Plushenko would still have to have serious mistakes to lose to Joubert. Joubert even relied largely on the failings of his competitors in the Plushenko-less field to dominate this season, more then his invincible skating or anything.

    Lambiel with a stabalized triple axel-if that ever happens, Oda with a mastered quad, or Takahashi with a bit of a further upgrade on consistency and adding an addition quad in both short and free, are the only possible threats to Plushenko. Joubert is not a major threat to Plushenko at all, unless he is far down from his former level IMHO. As of now, none of the above has happened, so Plushenko is the runaway favorite if he returns in his old form.
    Last edited by slutskayafan21; 04-30-2007 at 04:29 PM.

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    Takahashi's coach (Nicolai) said to the media that he would do 4F (and 4S in the program for Miki). Let's see how it works

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    Quote Originally Posted by morninglight View Post
    Takahashi's coach (Nicolai) said to the media that he would do 4F (and 4S in the program for Miki). Let's see how it works
    Well I hope he is not trying jumps that are too much a reach for him. There is no point looking to gain a couple extra points doing even harder quads then the quad toes, when you are likely to miss them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slutskayafan21 View Post
    Well I hope he is not trying jumps that are too much a reach for him. There is no point looking to gain a couple extra points doing even harder quads then the quad toes, when you are likely to miss them.
    I don't think that Takahashi and Ando are only trying to get a extra points. Takahashi's coaches (Morozov and Utako) mentioned that experiencing the speed of a quad in the air will help his triples. It makes easier to do other triple jumps. As I watched Takahashi's new exhibition program on TV yesterday, it was so easy to jump 3F for him. This is very important factor to secure clean jumps at competitions.
    Last edited by leode; 06-16-2007 at 10:44 PM.

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    2010 is still three years a way, so these skaters have a lot of mileage to put on before then. I think it all comes down to who has the stamina to hang in there until 2010 and who has not sustained injuries.

    Of course I am pulling for my Canadian boy - Jeff!!!! It would be great if he wins and great if he makes the podium gold, silver or bronze - I will be proud of him no matter what.

    Go Jeff!!! I know you will make us proud here in Vanouver in 2010!!

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    [QUOTE=doubleaxel;245487]I find it funny when people say Buttle is a possible OGM candidate. That's ridiculous. That's just me though. IQUOTE]

    Why does this sound ridiculous? Jeff is already a Bronze Olympic medalist from the 2006 Games in Turin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post
    2010 is still three years a way, so these skaters have a lot of mileage to put on before then. I think it all comes down to who has the stamina to hang in there until 2010 and who has not sustained injuries.
    I totally agree with this... Its impossible to say who will even compete, much less who'd win... These discussions are all about favorites and their rivals from the past. How do I know this? Because I'm a Kwan fan... and based on this question, Kwan would've won gold in 2002 and silver 2006 - sharing that podium with Irina and Cohen. Its impossible to even guess what'll happen three years down the road.

    But because I love to guess at things - I've voted for Brian Joubert - simply because he's who I want to see win - nothing more, nothing less.

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    Why isn't Ryan Bradly in the list? 'ev

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