Value of the Double Axel increased to 3.5 - what about the rest of the doubles?

gsrossano said:

Perhaps there are some invisible words I just can't see on post #10, but all I see there is increasing the -1 GoE to 0.8 points for 2A. I would claim the negative GoEs for the 2A, should be -1.0, -2.0 and -3.0 points, so the -3 2A gets 0.5 points.

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.8 for all GoE's, of course.

It shouldn't be any more than .8, otherwise you lose points overall for falling on a Double Axle.

An underrotated Double Axle should be worth 2.2 points (Single Axle should be .9 points...bump it up a tenth) with negative GOE value of .4. So, 0 points if you fall on it.

~Z

Zuranthium said:

.8 for all GoE's, of course.

It shouldn't be any more than .8, otherwise you lose points overall for falling on a Double Axle.

An underrotated Double Axle should be worth 2.2 points (Single Axle should be .9 points...bump it up a tenth) with negative GOE value of .4. So, 0 points if you fall on it.

~Z

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What's wrong with getting negative points (including the fall deduction) if you fall?

If you fall while just skating along doing nothing you get a negative score (0 for the non-element, 0 GOE, -1 fall deduction).

Mathman said:

What's wrong with getting negative points (including the fall deduction) if you fall?

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That kind of deduction is not warranted on the Double Axle. It's still a "risk" move, even if it IS the easiest of all the harder jumps.

On any other Double jump you should start to actually lose points overall for a fall.

~Z

Zuranthium said:

On any other Double jump you should start to actually lose points overall for a fall.

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Maybe at the elite level, but at the middle levels double jumps are the main risk elements. The fall deduction should probably be less than 1 at those levels. I believe that is the case for Canadian competitions.

Sure, just do a half point deduction for the lower levels instead.

~Z

Values for underrotated jumps:

4Lutz - 8.5 (-1.2 for negative GOE)
4Loop - 8 (-1.2 for negative GOE)
4Flip - 7.5 (-1.1 for negative GOE)
4Sal - 7 (-1 for negative GOE)
4Toe - 6.5 (-1 for negative GOE)

3Axel - 5.5 (-1 for negative GOE)
3Lutz - 4 (-.9 for negative GOE)
3Loop - 3.6 (-.8 for negative GOE)
3Flip - 3.3 (-.7 for negative GOE)
3Sal - 2.9 (-.6 for negative GOE)
3Toe - 2.6 (-.5 for negative GOE)

2Axle - 2.2 (-.5, -.4, -.4 for negative GOE)
2Lutz - 1.3 (-.3, -.2, -.2 for negative GOE)
2Loop - 1.1 (-.2 for negative GOE)
2Flip - 1.0 (-.2, -.2, -.1 for negative GOE)
2Sal - .9 (-.2, -.2, -.1 for negative GOE)
2Toe - .8 (-.2, -.1, -.1 for negative GOE)

~Z