View Poll Results: "Looks" get higher scores?

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  • looks do matter

    38 51.35%
  • looks do not matter

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  • looks matter only when a skater is starting

    7 9.46%
  • looks matter only in the longevity of a career

    2 2.70%
  • looks should not matter

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  • looks should matter

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Thread: Do "Looks" matter in scores / points?

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    Question Do "Looks" matter in scores / points?

    If a skater is "attractive, good looking, beautiful, pretty....." more so than any other skater, Does it at all reflect in the points scored?

    Should it at all reflect in the points scored?

    ~*invisible subconscious emoticon *~

    This does not account for "beautiful attributes" in the skating it's self, but the "physical attractiveness" of any said skater opposed to any other being given any advantage in scoreing.

    I am sure someone else could post this question better than I

    And a side note, does it account for skaters being promoted when starting out??? ...in the longevity of their career???
    Last edited by SeaniBu; 05-17-2007 at 06:49 PM.

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    I would say no, it doesn't matter very much.

    For one thing, the "magic of hollywood" can make anyone look glamorous. The skaters that look so fantastic on the ice, if you saw them walking down the street in real life without their makeup, costumes, etc., they would be ordinary people.

    (Take Tanith, for example -- OK, bad example, LOL)

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    Having long legs and arms and a slim body helps the overall line and seem to affect the PCS Even if the skater does not stretch enough, it looks less pronounced if he/she has a slim body line.

    But it doesn't seem that having a beautiful face matter in getting higher scores in an obvious manner.

    Yet it certainly helps an already successful skater to appeal more to the public and become more popular, which would help his/her career as a pro skater in the long run.

    Personally, I would not mind top skaters not being as beautiful as a model, so long as they present their movements beautifully. Additionally, it would be nice if the skaters have wonderful aesthetic sense in their choice of costume and makeup etc. I always looked forward to seeing Sasha's costumes and makeup

    I wonder if any of the skaters use a make-up artist before the performance I think that it would be really nice if they did. Some young skaters are not necessarily skillful in make-up, perhaps because it may be difficult for them to do make-up that looks nice both in camera zoom-up and in person.
    Last edited by morninglight; 05-20-2007 at 08:14 PM. Reason: typo

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    Michelle Kwan credits Oksana Baiul and Nancy Kerrigan for teaching her how to do make-up, when she went on her first COI tour at fourteen.

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    Looks do matter in FS. Beautiful dresses, make up, hair do... all counts.

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    Looks certainly do matter. It is the whole package that make people drawn to a certain person not just in skating but life in general. We have all witnessed the senerios on tv where they make the same person 'ugly' and then 'pretty' and see how they are treated both ways. Just terrible that our society is like that but it is the truth.

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    Looks matter. They shouldn't but they do.

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    They shouldn't, but sometimes they do.

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    Looks do matter, but much more so for ladies than for men.

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    Yeah, looks matter. Think about it; how many unattractive skaters do you see on medal podiums?? (Yes, I know "unattractive" is in the eye of the beholder, but I'm not talking about "unattractive" as in "not YOUR particular type" I'm talking "unattractive" as in UNATTRACTIVE.) Are we supposed to believe that there aren't any talented UGLY skaters out there? (for definition of 'UGLY" see definition of "unattractive" above). That would rather defy the law of averages, would it not?

    And please, for the type of poster who shows up on this board on occasion and needs to be told stuff like this: PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS POST AS A SPRINGBOARD TO DISCUSS THE LOOKS OF TOP SKATERS PAST AND PRESENT. You may read this and think "Oh, ugly skaters never win? How about so-and-so" and you have a right to this opinion, but please do not POST it. I don't want this to lead to an invitation to bashing, as posts like this have led to in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    Looks do matter, but much more so for ladies than for men.
    OK. I'll agree with that, within the criteria of my post above. But y'know, it seems to me, IMHO, that the top guys just seem to get cuter and cuter every year....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyCoop View Post
    OK. I'll agree with that, within the criteria of my post above. But y'know, it seems to me, IMHO, that the top guys just seem to get cuter and cuter every year....
    All right, I will give you that. However, it appears to be almost a self-fulfilling prophecy - guys who are physically unattractive are perhaps unwilling to go into a sport where they have to put on a tight fitting sequin costume in the first place.

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    I don't buy it (that looks matter), not under COP anyway.

    Bebe, for instance, is not the best looking of the elite ladies, not even close. (She is certainly attractive among the general pop. of course.) But she could easily contend for Nats title, if she were clean. Her inconsistency has held her back-- not her looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    All right, I will give you that. However, it appears to be almost a self-fulfilling prophecy - guys who are physically unattractive are perhaps unwilling to go into a sport where they have to put on a tight fitting sequin costume in the first place.
    Good point. Then again, when you see some of the "bad audition" tapes from "So You Think You Can Dance" and "American Idol" and things like that....

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    Looks matter a great deal, but not always the way you think.

    In FS, there is a certain 'look' that the Powers That Be like, and that always has and always will be favored over others.
    Only a truly HUGE difference in skating skill has any hope at all of overcoming a deficit in this 'look'.

    There's also the reverse - the 'I hate Barbie' effect - where a truly pretty girl will be boycotted by mainly the female (and some male) judges, coaches, etc. precisely because she is so pretty and they are jealous.
    Whether or not she can skate better than anyone else or not doesn't matter.

    Exactly like in real life, the way you look has a MASSIVE effect on just about every breath you take.

    No one will admit this, least of all the ladies, but the same applies to men, just not quite as overtly.
    In this case, only fame, money and power can truly overcome a deficit in looks.

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