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    How deep can an edge be?

    I saw this picture of Michelle doing a spread eagle. It looks like the angle of the blade to the ice is less than 45 degrees (unless she has just slipped off her edge and is about to fall on her behind).

    Which moves require edging like this and which skaters are especially good at it?

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    I saw Jeff Buttle draw a circle on a spread eagle in one of his programs. It was really great.

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    Nice picture! How about Shizuka Arakawa? I like her smooth skating. And Ms. Yuka Sato seemed to be very famous for deep edges.

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    I found Ms. Yuka Sato. A cute program. Her spiral was surprisingly short...... But footworks are very fast and smooth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNnkbxO4g_M

    I think that I like Arakawa's skate better. Arakawa also has deep edges that can give her great speed with only a few strokes, and does great footworks as well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij7MHm8bJ0c
    Love the little spread eagles before the spiral sequence.
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    BAck on topic, shall we?

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    Haha, you pulled out the trump card. Nothing beats Boitano's spread eagle. Spice On Ice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I saw this picture of Michelle doing a spread eagle. It looks like the angle of the blade to the ice is less than 45 degrees (unless she has just slipped off her edge and is about to fall on her behind).

    Which moves require edging like this and which skaters are especially good at it?

    http://sportssay.beloblog.com/archives/kwan.JPG

    Deep edges really used to count the most for figures. They also earn ice dancers huge marks. For free style edges are used for moves such as a mohawk, a three turn, a spiral, a spread eagle and other moves in the field.

    Skaters like Jeff Buttle and Kurt Browning who do a lot of footwork are extremely well trained in using both inside and outside edges. The judges look for quality edges from these type of skaters. Jeff and possibly Kurt may have missed out on the previous generation of school figures; however, their basic skating training has included good edge usage training.

    The real advantage of learning school figures was developing deep edges through tracing figures over and over. I am sure today's skaters still learn the importance of deep edges and do exercises that incorporate edges.
    I know figures are still taught here in Canada.

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    Outside of Michelle and Brian, I think Irina has the most beautiful edges... deep and strong... which is why I always laugh when people make the comment that Irina has awful spirals... becuase they fail to look down... hers are a thing of beauty... And I agree with Lad in that the loss of figures training has notictably lowered the bar in terms of edging and quality of a skater's overall skating. But of course a triple axel is sooo much more important, right?

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    Oh, come on, if you want deep edges go to Youtube & check out John Curry & Dorothy Hamill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post

    Deep edges really used to count the most for figures.
    Actually figures were about controlled and steady edges, not necessarily deep edges. The only figure that lends itself to deep edges (relatively speaking) was the paragraph loop and those deep edges are probably what shrunk it down so tiny.

    Try a paragraph bracket and double three on deep edges and you're in big trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merrywidow View Post
    Oh, come on, if you want deep edges go to Youtube & check out John Curry & Dorothy Hamill.
    If you want to see the skater with the best edges of ALL TIME in general, check out John Curry.

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    I think that a lot of russian pair team, esp B&S at the 2002 olympic had very smooth deep edges. Somthing that they really stressed back in the soviet days.

    As for Michelel's spread eagle.... i love that move even more than her spiral. She looks so triumphant doing it and so full of heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post
    Jeff and possibly Kurt may have missed out on the previous generation of school figures; however, their basic skating training has included good edge usage training.

    The real advantage of learning school figures was developing deep edges through tracing figures over and over. I am sure today's skaters still learn the importance of deep edges and do exercises that incorporate edges.
    I know figures are still taught here in Canada.
    IIRC, Kurt was world champion the final year figures were used in competition. He was actually quite good at them, which always surprised me given that he wasn’t exactly known for his, ahem, “discipline”, as an amateur. Jeff Buttle did competitive ice dance with his sister as a youngster, which would have given him a good foundation as well. Unfortunately, figures are no longer part of the test system in Canada, so most coaches no longer teach them.

    Some random nice edges from Canucks this season:

    Joannie:
    http://www.imagestation.com/8240486/3923832672

    Jeff:
    http://www.imagestation.com/8240486/3923156306

    Shawn Sawyer:
    http://www.imagestation.com/8240486/3960898768
    http://www.imagestation.com/8240486/3932132474

    Patrick Chan:
    http://www.imagestation.com/8240486/3932126132

    V&M:
    http://www.imagestation.com/8240486/3959341429

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    IIRC, Kurt was world champion the final year figures were used in competition. He was actually quite good at them, which always surprised me given that he wasn’t exactly known for his, ahem, “discipline”, as an amateur. Jeff Buttle did competitive ice dance with his sister as a youngster, which would have given him a good foundation as well. Unfortunately, figures are no longer part of the test system in Canada, so most coaches no longer teach them.
    I think you're right that 91 was the last worlds figures were part of... and he did win that year...

    at least I'm pretty sure, if it was 92, though, then he would have been 2nd...

    but he wrote about figures in his book... and he wasn't a 'kid' kid when they were eliminated

    and hasn't he spoken out about how he felt figures should have stayed (even when he was still an amatuer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuranthium View Post
    If you want to see the skater with the best edges of ALL TIME in general, check out John Curry.

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    Amen to that!!! And to further the John Curry luuurve....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXJqsoFwUic

    7 minutes worth of glorious edges
    Last edited by floskate; 05-19-2007 at 05:34 AM.

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