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    The Lone Triple Loop Jump

    Has anyone noticed that many skaters leave this jump out of their routines, except for 'in combo'?

    It is a difficult jump and it hurts the hips, both in take off and in landing. In combo it goes with the rhythm of the jumps and easy to cheat on ice before take off. No one will see that because it is just so wowish to see combos.

    Can you name skaters who leave out the lone triple loop?

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    Well I dont know if you want to count them but both Katja Grohmann (a german junior skater did it a few times last season as a stand alone jump in the free skate and as the opening jump in the combination in her short) and Nicole Gurny (a german novice skater) did a lone loop in their long programm last season.

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    The required jump out of steps in the short program for the junior skaters this season is triple loop. So the more competitive juniors, nationally and internationally, will be attempting a solo triple loop in 2007-08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Can you name skaters who leave out the lone triple loop?

    Joe
    I suspect it might be easier to pick out the skaters who do include the solo triple loop...actually now i think about it - the ladies tend to use it in combo but a fair amount of the men do the solo triple loop - Joubert, Lambiel and Oda all spring to mind as skaters who do it solo.

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    Lysacek and Weir both had 3Lo in Worlds FS and both doubled it. Johnny seems not to like this jump, he had troubles with it all the season. But for some reason he keeps it in LP.

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    I agree it is mostly Ladies (and it is mentioned in the latest issue of Blades). I think it's reputation for causing hip problems may have gotten around a bit.

    I look forward to the triple solo loop jumps required for the Junior Ladies this coming season. I would like to see it mandatory in the Senior Ladies SP.

    The jump is not easy (the toe loop is 100% easier). and even with the Men when they are about to do a triple loop, they will pause and carefully prep for it.

    Irina's 3turns into the loop was good prep, but I think that too, was because it had rythm.

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    Most every male skater has a solo Loop in their program because it's just not feasible to do the jump in combination after a Quad or 3Axle. I do think womans' bodies are also a bit better set-up, on average, to perform that particular jump in combination.

    Less women are doing a solo 3Loop because, for the women that aren't great at the Loop, CoP lets them do a second 3Flip...and they get half a point more for doing so. The same goes for the solo Triple Salchow...women who don't like that jump just do a second Triple Flip instead.

    Giving skaters a bonus point for doing all of the Triple jumps + Double Axel (Triple for Men) with no more than a negative -1 GOE on each jump would help to balance things out. You'd have to mark jumps done in combination separately, though, (which is something that needs to be changed anyway) so that someone who does something like a 3Flip/3Toe combo, but falls on the Toeloop, still gets counted as doing the required 3Flip.

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    well i know that Irina really liked this jump, and sasha always had it in her freeskates. I know that Mao dosen't do one... and i am pretty sure that Miki didn't either. Kimmie had one. I can't remeber if Yu-na had one or not.

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    At 2007 Worlds exactly half of the ladies did a triple loop of some sort in their LP. Asada and Ando did it in combination (3F+3Lo for Mao, 3Lz+3Lo for Miki). Yu-na Kim did not attempt a triple loop at all.

    Ladies who presented the triple loop solo were Meissner, Rochette, Poykio, Kostner, Korpi, Czisny, Sokolova, Hegel, Carter and Liu. (Gimetdinova and Katz did solo 2 loops, possibly intending triples?)

    Notables who did not include a triple loop, besides Kim, were Nakano, Meier, Marchei, Hughes, Sebestyen, Martinova, Gedevanishvili, Glebova and Leung.

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    Both Miki Ando and Mao Asada do the loop jump in combination (I guess because it earns more points than a solo loop). Miki peforms the 3-lutz/3-loop and Mao the 3-flip/3-loop, and 3-loop/2-loop/2-loop.

    I agree that the 3-loop is a difficult jump and it has ended a lot of careers due to the injuries it causes to the hips (Stellatto, Kwan, Lipinski, Kirk...and Carolina Kostner missed most of this season due to an ankle injury caused by the loop jump).

    The only ladies who perform(ed) the loop jump really well that I recall were/are Irina Slutskaya, Sarah Hughes, and Mao Asada. All three get a lot of spring in the jump, which none of the skaters who were injured by the loop jump were ever able to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by layman View Post
    The only ladies who perform(ed) the loop jump really well that I recall were/are Irina Slutskaya, Sarah Hughes, and Mao Asada. All three get a lot of spring in the jump, which none of the skaters who were injured by the loop jump were ever able to do.
    It was a money jump for Laetitia Hubert, Maria Butyrskaya, Elena Sokolova in the 1990s.

    And Caryn Kadavy in the 80s.

    Good for Midori Ito and Tonya Harding as well.

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    Yuna Kim hasnt had a loop in her program since she fell on it in her SP at the 2005 Junior Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    It was a money jump for Laetitia Hubert, Maria Butyrskaya, Elena Sokolova in the 1990s.

    And Caryn Kadavy in the 80s.

    Good for Midori Ito and Tonya Harding as well.
    Didn't Tonya tried the quad loop in practice? I think it exists a video of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Notables who did not include a triple loop, besides Kim, were Nakano, Meier, Marchei, Hughes, Sebestyen, Martinova, Gedevanishvili, Glebova and Leung.
    Will the 3loop become an animal in danger or extintion? Certainly it has become a more rare animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    At 2007 Worlds exactly half of the ladies did a triple loop of some sort in their LP. Asada and Ando did it in combination (3F+3Lo for Mao, 3Lz+3Lo for Miki). Yu-na Kim did not attempt a triple loop at all.
    That's not the point of the thread. Doing triple or even double loops in combo is what is expected. Solo triple loops even from top skaters leave them out. As with Kwan, Kim had physical problems and that jump more than others, except for the salchow, maybe, will be the one jump ailing back aches will omit. Keeping to the rythym of a combo, loop jumps can be easier because it is so easily cheated before take off.

    Ladies who presented the triple loop solo were Meissner, Rochette, Poykio, Kostner, Korpi, Czisny, Sokolova, Hegel, Carter and Liu. (Gimetdinova and Katz did solo 2 loops, possibly intending triples?)
    Good gals!!! Hence the mention in Blades. The solo jump should have a higher base value, imo.

    Notables who did not include a triple loop, besides Kim, were Nakano, Meier, Marchei, Hughes, Sebestyen, Martinova, Gedevanishvili, Glebova and Leung.
    Was that a solo triple loop? If yes, then Mao and Asada should join this grouping.

    Joe

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