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There finally out for the juniors. As some of you expected Mirai & Rachael are skating. Surprising that they have Juliana in juniors. Isn't she like 18?
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JGP assignments and SGP speculation
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We suspect Ashley Wagner will be in the SGP pool as well. Not so sure about Oster...she might get a Senior B, as well as Kahle. Little surprised by Juliana in the JGP..thought she might get a nod to the SGP as well.
This is NOT good news for other fading senior skaters such as Bebe, Alissa, Katy etc.
Oster is guaranteed a GP invitation due to her bronze JGPF medal. Wagner has both a JGPF medal and a Junior World medal and she will get at least one GP invitation (maybe 2).
Czisny and Liang are each assured of getting at least one GP invitation, as they were both in the top 24 of the ISU World Rankings. Czisny was also in the top 24 of the the Seasons Best list, so she will probably get two invitations.
Kahle will probably have to settle for a "B" International again, and Katy Taylor may find herself in the same position.
Czisny and Liang are each assured of getting at least one GP invitation, as they were both in the top 24 of the ISU World Rankings. Czisny was also in the top 24 of the the Seasons Best list, so she will probably get two invitations.
Kahle will probably have to settle for a "B" International again, and Katy Taylor may find herself in the same position.
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That is not the total list. It is just a peliminary. We may still see Caroline in the second half of the list.
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Some good competitions, imo:
Lake Placid;
Kanalakan - Mabanuzadabh - Steenberg (Men)
Hubbel and Hubbel (Dance/
Romania
Bulanhague - Hughes (Ladies)
Halverson - Rippon (Men) (Rippon is my pick for the 2010 Olys)
Vienna
Flatt - Musademba (Ladies and a big one here)
Mroz (Men)
Samuelson and Bate (Dance)
Estonia
Cannarozzo - Rosenthall (Ladies)
Oi - Razzano (Men and a big one here)
three pair teams -??
Gilles and Mckiernan (Dance)
Will the americans get mosly gold? Just watch and see what happens.
Joe
Lake Placid;
Kanalakan - Mabanuzadabh - Steenberg (Men)
Hubbel and Hubbel (Dance/
Romania
Bulanhague - Hughes (Ladies)
Halverson - Rippon (Men) (Rippon is my pick for the 2010 Olys)
Vienna
Flatt - Musademba (Ladies and a big one here)
Mroz (Men)
Samuelson and Bate (Dance)
Estonia
Cannarozzo - Rosenthall (Ladies)
Oi - Razzano (Men and a big one here)
three pair teams -??
Gilles and Mckiernan (Dance)
Will the americans get mosly gold? Just watch and see what happens.
Joe
flying camel, I think it's a safe bet that Caroline Zhang will be on the Senior Grand Prix this fall (along with Ashley Wagner, Megan Oster, etc.).
Some stats I've compiled...
[Note: I’ve included JGP Final (JGPF), U.S. Nationals (S=sr., J=jr., N=novice) and/or Jr. Worlds (JW) placements from 2006-07 in parentheses.]
Lake Placid, New York (Aug. 30-Sept. 2)
Tommy Steenberg (JGPF-6, S-14), Austin Kanallakan (JGPF-8, J-3), Armin Mahbanoozadeh (N-1);
Mirai Nagasu (J-1, JW-2), Alexe Gilles (J-5), Angela Maxwell (N-1);
Jessica Rose Paetsch/Jon Nuss (JGPF-3, J-3), Bianca Butler/Joseph Jacobsen (J-2), Meg Byrne/Nate Bartholomay (J-6), Amanda Luchau/Andrew Speroff (N-5);
Madison Hubbell/Keiffer Hubbell (JGPF-1, J-2, JW-6), Pilar Bosley/John Corona (J-6), Sara Bailey/Kyle Herring (N-2).
Miercurea Ciuc, Romania (Sept. 6-9)
Eliot Halverson (J-1, JW-10), Adam Rippon (J-6);
Melissa Bulanhagui (JGPF-4, S-12), Chrissy Hughes (J-6);
Shannon Wingle/Ryan Devereaux (J-5), TBD.
Vienna, Austria (Sept. 13-16)
Rachael Flatt (S-5), Kristine Musademba (N-2);
Brandon Mroz (JGPF-2, J-2, JW-4), Richard Dornbush (J-8);
Emily Samuelson/Evan Bates (JGPF-2, J-1, JW-wd), TBD.
Tallinn, Estonia (Sept. 20-23)
Curran Oi (JGPF-5, J-4), Douglas Razzano (J-5);
Juliana Cannarozzo (JGPF-7, S-7), Blake Rosenthal (J-4);
Kaela Pflumm/Christopher Pottenger (JGPF-5, J-4), Chelsi Guillen/Danny Curzon (J-8), Shantel Jordan/Steven Elefante (S-15);
Piper Gilles/Timothy McKernan (J-4), TBD.
Added to the RESERVE team envelope: Rippon, Bosley/Corona, Byrne/Bartholomay, Guillen/Curzon, Jordan/Elefante, Luchau/Speroff.
This will be the first JGP experience for: Flatt (well, technically her second after she had to withdraw from the Mexico City JGP last year), Nagasu, A. Gilles, C. Hughes, Maxwell, Musademba, Dornbush, Mahbanoozadeh, Byrne/Bartholomay, Guillen/Curzon, Jordan/Elefante, Luchau/Speroff, and Bailey/Herring.
Some stats I've compiled...
[Note: I’ve included JGP Final (JGPF), U.S. Nationals (S=sr., J=jr., N=novice) and/or Jr. Worlds (JW) placements from 2006-07 in parentheses.]
Lake Placid, New York (Aug. 30-Sept. 2)
Tommy Steenberg (JGPF-6, S-14), Austin Kanallakan (JGPF-8, J-3), Armin Mahbanoozadeh (N-1);
Mirai Nagasu (J-1, JW-2), Alexe Gilles (J-5), Angela Maxwell (N-1);
Jessica Rose Paetsch/Jon Nuss (JGPF-3, J-3), Bianca Butler/Joseph Jacobsen (J-2), Meg Byrne/Nate Bartholomay (J-6), Amanda Luchau/Andrew Speroff (N-5);
Madison Hubbell/Keiffer Hubbell (JGPF-1, J-2, JW-6), Pilar Bosley/John Corona (J-6), Sara Bailey/Kyle Herring (N-2).
Miercurea Ciuc, Romania (Sept. 6-9)
Eliot Halverson (J-1, JW-10), Adam Rippon (J-6);
Melissa Bulanhagui (JGPF-4, S-12), Chrissy Hughes (J-6);
Shannon Wingle/Ryan Devereaux (J-5), TBD.
Vienna, Austria (Sept. 13-16)
Rachael Flatt (S-5), Kristine Musademba (N-2);
Brandon Mroz (JGPF-2, J-2, JW-4), Richard Dornbush (J-8);
Emily Samuelson/Evan Bates (JGPF-2, J-1, JW-wd), TBD.
Tallinn, Estonia (Sept. 20-23)
Curran Oi (JGPF-5, J-4), Douglas Razzano (J-5);
Juliana Cannarozzo (JGPF-7, S-7), Blake Rosenthal (J-4);
Kaela Pflumm/Christopher Pottenger (JGPF-5, J-4), Chelsi Guillen/Danny Curzon (J-8), Shantel Jordan/Steven Elefante (S-15);
Piper Gilles/Timothy McKernan (J-4), TBD.
Added to the RESERVE team envelope: Rippon, Bosley/Corona, Byrne/Bartholomay, Guillen/Curzon, Jordan/Elefante, Luchau/Speroff.
This will be the first JGP experience for: Flatt (well, technically her second after she had to withdraw from the Mexico City JGP last year), Nagasu, A. Gilles, C. Hughes, Maxwell, Musademba, Dornbush, Mahbanoozadeh, Byrne/Bartholomay, Guillen/Curzon, Jordan/Elefante, Luchau/Speroff, and Bailey/Herring.
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What does it mean "added to the Reserve Team"? They only get one JGP?
Joe
Joe
No, it just means that the skaters I listed did not originally qualify for one of the team envelopes (A-C) but will be added to the Reserve team envelope now that they have been assigned to a JGP. If any of them medal in their JGP, then they will be promoted to the Team C funding envelope. And they could possibly get a 2nd JGP assignment IF they place high enough in their first JGP and there are still open slots.
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There seems to be a good chance the Caroline will not only be doing SGP's but that she will probably show up at Skate America. I was kind of hoping she would stay in Juniors at least internationally. There is so much pressure once you get to seniors.
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Caroline is a tough cookie, she'll be ok in GP. She had a couple of tough skates at National's (though even there, I was impressed by how quickly she recovered each time she did fall), and came right back with more drive/determinational at World Jr's. 
I am really excited that we might see her at Skate America! I can't wait to see her up against the senior ladies, including Kimmie, Yu-na, Mao, Mik, etc. I'm eager to see whether she'll put out some 3-3's next year -- she doesn't have the most amazing height on her jumps, but she does have wonderfully tight air positions and fast rotations, as well as good flow out of most of her jumps. Given how much she cleaned up her under-rotation last summer, I wouldn't be surprised if she came back in the fall with yet another leap in her jumping techniques. 
I am really excited that we might see her at Skate America! I can't wait to see her up against the senior ladies, including Kimmie, Yu-na, Mao, Mik, etc. I'm eager to see whether she'll put out some 3-3's next year -- she doesn't have the most amazing height on her jumps, but she does have wonderfully tight air positions and fast rotations, as well as good flow out of most of her jumps. Given how much she cleaned up her under-rotation last summer, I wouldn't be surprised if she came back in the fall with yet another leap in her jumping techniques. 
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The more I think about it, the more I think it might be a good idea for Skate America to invite Ando (if available), to skate against Kimmie, Alissa and Caroline. That way they could advertise the 2005 World Champion against the 2006 World Champion, and still save the showdowns against Asada and Kim for later in the season.
I'm eager to see whether she'll put out some 3-3's next year -- she doesn't have the most amazing height on her jumps, but she does have wonderfully tight air positions and fast rotations, as well as good flow out of most of her jumps. Given how much she cleaned up her under-rotation last summer, I wouldn't be surprised if she came back in the fall with yet another leap in her jumping techniques.
She's busy with practicing 3flip+3toe these days, and it's getting clean. Don't quote me though, those are just second-hand information.
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Caroline will be fine. She will not be expected to win SA and little girls do not get butterflies until they have won a big one. If she wins SA then the butterflies will be there for the next competition.
MM- ABC would use that suggestion but at the start of the scheduled program. Unfortunately, ABC was never much to publicize skating events much. I don't think ABC pubicizes any of its Sports. Maybe on ESPN. Don't know.
What NBC does remains to be seen. But excellent idea to boost interest in FS.
Joe
MM- ABC would use that suggestion but at the start of the scheduled program. Unfortunately, ABC was never much to publicize skating events much. I don't think ABC pubicizes any of its Sports. Maybe on ESPN. Don't know.
What NBC does remains to be seen. But excellent idea to boost interest in FS.
Joe
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I could be wrong but I think Emily will get invited over Alissa. They may even seen Wagner over her. I think the USFSA wants to at least have a chance at medals. As much as I love her skatings Alissa is just not competitive.
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If Emily skates SA against Kimmie and Miki, then it most likely that Emily will get a bronze at best.
The object of the GPs is to get to the GPFinal, and that means only gold and silver medals will get you there, unless there is a gold and bronze combined where the highest finish will break a tie against two silver medalists.
There are easier GP venues to get the silvers and with the Asian Ladies (one each in each venue, bronze will mean nothing.
Regardless of what others say, trust me, there is strategy here for the Fed Heads to ponder.
Joe
Of course the field one happens to be competing against matters, and that's where the strategy side that Joesitz is so interested in comes in. And so does how each skater happens to skate at their GP assignments.
Still, historically, only one of the current US ladies medalists has ever qualified for the GPF in the past, and it wasn't Kimmie or Emily.
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