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    Miki's improvement in artistry

    I feel that Miki has improved in her artistry a lot in such a short time period since this past season (2006-7).

    Her arm movements used to be stuff and straight during this past season. But in this recent gala performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JcHMdts_zk), they are much more graceful, subtle, and sophisticated here. The posture also looks better.

    A very pleasant surprise

    It's a pity that these guys do not stop talking during the performance....
    Last edited by morninglight; 05-25-2007 at 05:28 PM. Reason: edited to make the sentences more intelligible.

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    What do you mean by "artistry"?

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    She has improved insofar as consistency goes, but I didn't notice any great artistry. All she did was jump, jump, jump. Her spiral sequence is still pretty bad.

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    Sorry, don't see anything. I still think she is just pose and jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
    Sorry, don't see anything. I still think she is just pose and jump.
    Agreed....but her posing is much better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    She has improved insofar as consistency goes, but I didn't notice any great artistry. All she did was jump, jump, jump. Her spiral sequence is still pretty bad.
    I thought morninglight was comparing the very recent Chukyo gala(in the youtube link) to the recent past season. I agree--there are a lot of changes for the better in a short time, but not with jumps. She fell on a double axel in the gala, but I liked the performance.

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    I hope Miki is either a SA or SC and I will watch to see if she has upped the presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    She has improved insofar as consistency goes, but I didn't notice any great artistry. All she did was jump, jump, jump. Her spiral sequence is still pretty bad.
    She still mostly lives and dies by her jumps.

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    She really needs to learn a sprial sequence that is flattering for her. She just looked miserable doing those spirals.

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    Chuko Univ GALA was done to add gorgeousness to the opening ceremony of the university's ice arena, and featured Miki and Mao since they are students there (Mao in its annexed high-school). It's off-season, and what Miki did here was (so to say) simply skating "I love you all at Chukyo!"

    At Worlds Miki had not yet recovered from injury in her right soulder(ligament) caused by joint dislocation she got at Nationals; her arm was certainly stiff, and couldn't do the Biellman with her usual arm.
    Now I see here(You-Tube) that it must be getting a little better.

    Many folks point out Miki's shortcomings in her refinement of artistry, and I don't disagree. Shizuka is much ahead in that. However as a big fan of Miki I believe she fully possesses both the capability and the eagerness to achieve what is necessary to reach such goal*. (* She formerly expressed it years ago through saying she dreams to be a perfect skater like Yagudin.)

    I would like to read, in this thread, comments that would encourage her "to be more".
    Or simply, what kind of advice would you give to Miki in order to be more artistic?
    Or more appealing? Or more sophisticated?

    Practical the better. (Flying camel's "learn more spiral sequence" is quite practical.)
    I'll put it to (soft) Japanese and will try to send it to her.

    I'm an architect (which is supposed to be a kind of an artist?), so I can imagine that some contrast and highlighting is needed within her spectrum of nuances from powerful to delicate; but since I'm knowledgeless in skating, I've no idea how to define it on ice.

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    sorcerer, wonderful post.

    Her expression and attitude IMO were better this year, I saw this shine much brighter than years past.

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    Artistry comes from within. Miki has to find it within herself, by herself, as it can't be forced.

    BTW, Miki's shoulder is probably going to become a chronic problem for her. She has suffered at least two dislocation incidents so far. Every time the shoulder becomes dislocated, the more likely it is that the same thing will happen again. And again. The ligaments keep getting more and more stretched out, making another incident more probable.

    The Biellmann isn't the only element that impacts her shoulder. Spinning by far puts the most force on those ligaments.
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    Thank you for your kind compliments, SeaniBu.

    And thanks for your response, chuckm.
    I kind of half agree with you when you say "artistry comes from within. Miki has to find it within herself, by herself, as it can't be forced."

    It might depend on the form of art, but IMO more than 95% of the contents in artistic achievements are done logically, even when they are done in unconsciousness they can be grasped logically afterwards.
    Only on such designed base of universal reason, the spark of genius or poeticality is lastly possible, IMO.
    Latter is the area completely up to the artist/performer, and this indeed is just as what you say.

    But I was talking about advice(s) for the 95%. I think Miki has yet to fill that 95%.
    (I'm saying "95%" symbolically not numerally.)

    Of course there could be suggestive advice even on that mystic 5%, e.g. if I were to stimulate poeticality among students wishing to become architects, I might give words like "go see more of art-oriented movies like that of Fellini, Tarkovsky, Robbe-Grillet, whomsoever!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying camel View Post
    She really needs to learn a sprial sequence that is flattering for her. She just looked miserable doing those spirals.
    Yes agreeed. I think that her fan spiral is not bad at alll, and her beilliman is O.K. She needs to take out the tradationl change of edge spiral.. it really looks painful on her.

    Her fingers and arms as well as her facial expressioin is improved.... I think that A really good spiral sequnence is the only thing she lacks.

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    Sorceror, I would like to offer Miki the following constructive critcism:

    1. Work on your posture.

    2. Take ballet lessons

    3. Learn to stretch and extend

    4. Practice those spiral positions

    I disagree that anyone is born with these qualities (otherwise we would all be ballet dancers). It's takes practice, practice, practice, and more practice to perfect posture, stretch and extension.

    If there was ever an example that artistry is learned, it's the example of Michelle Kwan. She burst onto the scene as a tiny jumping bean in 1993 and under Lori Nichol's tuteledge she learned to become an artist. During the years of Michelle's transition from athlete to artist, her posture improved, her spiral positions improved, her edging improved, her speed improved, her connection with her music improved, her connection with the audience improved...everything about her skating and performance improved under Lori Nichols teaching.

    I agree that it's takes commitment and dedication on the part of the athlete to decide to become an artist and then practice, practice, and more practice until the artistry becomes second nature.
    Last edited by layman; 05-25-2007 at 02:21 PM.

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