View Poll Results: Will Evan Lysacek's career end up as Michael Weiss's did?

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  • yes he will indeed go onto to a Weiss-like career from here

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  • no he will have a better career then Weiss and add more World medal(s)

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  • he will not even be able to go onto a Weiss-like career

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Thread: Will Lysacek complete a Michael Weiss-like career?

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    Will Lysacek complete a Michael Weiss-like career?

    Does anybody else think that Evan Lysacek will end his career the same way Michael Weiss did? Michael Weiss won 2 World bronze medals, then competed for 6 more years as an amateur but never again attained such heights. I could see the same thing happening to Lysacek as with the depth of the current mens field more World medals do not seem in his future. He won his 2 World bronzes in relatively weaker fields, in what could overall be evaluated as not particularly well skated events. At this years Worlds he did not get the help from the field he is accustomed to, and even with the help from the judges in the scores he has become familiar with, that was not enough to overcome the superiority of his rivals who chose to stand up this time around and he finished out of the medals.

    So I would be a bit surprised if he ever managed to reach a Worlds podium again. His only possible improvement at this point is adding a second quadruple jump in the free skate which does not garner you many extra points. His competitors I see much more capacity for technical and artistic growth then he, in fact I would not be at all surprised if he revived Carmen for a 3rd straight year as tedious as it is becoming, it is likely the best work he is capable of. However I still see him hanging around near the top in the U.S and posting some other good results at the World level of 5th, 6th, 7th, from time to time, just as Weiss did. I do not think he will go away anytime soon, whether he continues to pursue the category of eligible skating past 2010 or not is difficult to project, but he will certainly stay in the fray until then and continue to post good results.
    Just not up to the heights of continued medals at the World level.

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    The only thing about Evan that reminds me of Weiss is his obsession with his heterosexuality and manliness.

    I think Evan will do a lot better than Weiss, because he is a very strong competitior. As strong as the men's field is right now, it's full of fragile artists (Takahashi, Lambiel), chokers (Oda, Buttle, Joubert has choked in the past), and headcases (Johnny, Sandhu). Evan's consistency will allow him to achieve success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psycho View Post
    The only thing about Evan that reminds me of Weiss is his obsession with his heterosexuality and manliness.
    You are definitely correct on that particular point of similarity between the two.

    I think Evan will do a lot better than Weiss, because he is a very strong competitior.
    So was Michael Weiss a very strong competitor, just a limited talent as Evan Lysacek is.

    As strong as the men's field is right now, it's full of fragile artists (Takahashi, Lambiel)
    Takahashi has been extremely consistent this season, ever since his Skate Canada meltdown. Lambiel is not "fragile", he fights through many injuries to battle and achieve great success.

    chokers (Oda, Buttle, Joubert has choked in the past)
    I dont consider Joubert a choker by any stretch of the imagination.

    and headcases (Johnny, Sandhu).
    True, but those 2 are close to irrelevant as far as the contenders go at this point.

    Evan's consistency will allow him to achieve success.
    I agree it will, some 5ths and 7ths at Worlds just as Weiss had from this point forward, and another couple U.S titles along the way probably.

    You forgot Verner who is coming into his own quickly, and Plushenko's impending return.

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    Michael Weiss's record wasn't that bad, was it?

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    no it wasn't

    and really the only people who were obsessed with his heterosexualness were those that didn't like him for any host of reasons (never will understand why being a proud father is considered a bad thing...)

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    I liked Michael Weiss but I did not appreciate the particular time he glided around centre ice in celebration of his title win, around the cold rink with his baby, I believe it was at the time of the 2000 U.S Nationals. I am sure he had no intention of doing anything that would jeapordize the comfort or health of his baby, but it would seem in his excitement he forgot the considerations or implications of health of the child for that moment. Sandra Loosemore I believe on her websites report at the time had said the baby had a cold at the time too.

    Of course Michael Weiss had a wonderful career that he can be proud of. I never said he didnt.

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    I had to go check this first:
    http://www.isufs.org/bios/isufs00000067.htm

    Looks like there are similarities between the 2: both were 2x Worlds bronze medalists, and 1 x finished 5th. Although Michael Weiss is a 3x National Champ. I wonder if Evan ever becomes that w/o the Carmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsuhs View Post
    I had to go check this first:
    http://www.isufs.org/bios/isufs00000067.htm

    Looks like there are similarities between the 2: both were 2x Worlds bronze medalists, and 1 x finished 5th. Although Michael Weiss is a 3x National Champ. I wonder if Evan ever becomes that w/o the Carmen.
    Sorry, but I don´t see any importance for a skater being US National champion. The Nationals should be regarded only as a ticket to Worlds, Olympics, and no more (IMO). It only matters that a skater is among top three. I see it as a huuuuge mistake that Lysacek put so much importance for becoming the US champion this season and was so set on winning the title that he gave his best performance two months too early, huh. He should have saved that determination and concentration for Worlds!!!

    I sure hope very much that Lysacek will not repeat that mistake next season... It is not sensible to pay attention to media fluffs, better to concentrate on the big picture = the most important competition of the season.
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    It is different in other countries, but in places like the United States and Japan a combination of an insular world view and the strength of the national figure skating programs make the national championship a huge goal. I bet Lysacek is more pleased by his U.S. championship than by his world bronzes. Worlds is not even shown on network TV in the United States, for lack of interest. The Olympics? -- love the parade of flags, but folks worry too much about it, IMHO.

    I do think there is a similarity between Weiss' situation and Lysacek's. Basically, U.S. fans say, well, he's the best we have, so, hey, Go Evan (Michael)! It would be nice if they were better, but that's life. Maybe the next guy will do it (Goebel? nope.)

    I think Michael suffered in comparison to his predecessor. Todd Eldredge did manage to squeeze out a world championship and was a superior artist. Similarly Johnny Weir has more fans world-wide than Lysacek, even though there is a feeling that Johnny did not quite skate up to his potential despite his three U.S. titles.

    I like Carmen just fine. I would rather watch it a hundred times that to have to see Grease again, LOL.

    Anyway, Weiss did the best he could and now he's off to fame and fortune with SOI, "freedon blades" at the ready, always up for a "tornado." I assume he is rooting for Evan to skate his best, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Sorry, but I don´t see any importance for a skater being US National champion. The Nationals should be regarded only as a ticket to Worlds, Olympics, and no more (IMO). It only matters that a skater is among top three. I see it as a huuuuge mistake that Lysacek put so much importance for becoming the US champion this season and was so set on winning the title that he gave his best performance two months too early, huh. He should have saved that determination and concentration for Worlds!!!

    I sure hope very much that Lysacek will not repeat that mistake next season... It is not sensible to pay attention to media fluffs, better to concentrate on the big picture = the most important competition of the season.
    The Nationals was very, very important for him, and it should have been. Imagine what if he never won a Nationals like Sarah Hughes? Now he has won it. It won't be so important any more from now on. I think he knows that, too.

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    I dunno... Kurt Browning felt his national titles were important

    especially that first defending title... that will be the true test...

    and if the title wasn't that important, Johnny wouldn't have gotten so upset... there's something to be said about that US National title... they all want it... and they all don't want to give it up...

    as for Mike and taking his son (?) around the rink - no different than Sergei and Katia with Daria at teh rink all the time *Shrugs* the only difference I guess would be G&G are loved by all... and all love to hate Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Sorry, but I don´t see any importance for a skater being US National champion. The Nationals should be regarded only as a ticket to Worlds, Olympics, and no more (IMO). It only matters that a skater is among top three. I see it as a huuuuge mistake that Lysacek put so much importance for becoming the US champion this season and was so set on winning the title that he gave his best performance two months too early, huh. He should have saved that determination and concentration for Worlds!!!
    I can actually see the point Mathman is making. In the United States of America the U.S Nationals of the sport of figure skating may indeed be a more prestigious and coveted event to the skaters then the World Championships these days. In most of the World this is not the case, but with no main U.S cable network covering the Worlds it does give you some perspective to the prestige and interest dropping of the event in the U.S

    As for Lysacek he should feel blessed he did not do a clean free skate performance at Worlds. It would have been a severe blow to his enlarged ego to do a clean free skate and still be passed for the bronze medal by Lambiel later on making major miscues in his performance. Which is exactly what would have happened had Evan done a clean free skate. He should be much happier to have had mistakes and allow the naive and deluded to imagine the grandest of fantasies of what he would have accomplished, ignoring that the scoring protocals suggest otherwise.

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    I think Lysacek is a better competitor than Weiss was, but I don't know if he's a better skater. Even so, I could see that happening - especially if Plushenko comes back to make every competition a battle for 2nd and 3rd places.
    As for the importance of winning Nationals, I think Americans are just hung up on winning, period. You don't win a silver or bronze medal, you settle for them because you lost the gold.

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    I am sure that the importance of nationals varies greatly from country to country, and even from skater to skater.

    Alexei Yagudin never won Russian nationals (!), but with four world championships and an Olympic gold medal, I don't think he is losing any sleep over it, LOL. Russian skaters in particular do seem to regard their national championship as mostly a testing ground to try to impress the Federation to put them on the world team, rather than a worthy achievement in its own right.

    But I can't agree with Kittycat that Lysacek is better off with having what he called "his worst performance of the season" at worlds. Every skater wants to do his best. If your best turns out to be fifth place, so be it. It is, after all, a competition -- the other skaters show up, too!

    It is not a disappointment to have to say, "I skated my best; today the other guy was better. On to next season!"

    But when you don't deliver everything you know you are capable of, that hurts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scorekeeper View Post
    I think Lysacek is a better competitor than Weiss was, but I don't know if he's a better skater. Even so, I could see that happening - especially if Plushenko comes back to make every competition a battle for 2nd and 3rd places. As for the importance of winning Nationals, I think Americans are just hung up on winning, period. You don't win a silver or bronze medal, you settle for them because you lost the gold.
    I dont think Plushenko will automaticaly win every event he enters , as he was before he took a break, if he returns. The others contending guys have improved since he left. The very young Oda has shown more great improvement over the last season, even though he did not have a good Worlds. Takahashi has discovered some consistency allowing him to show alot of his potential in competition. Joubert, going through a slump when Plushenko left, is revived and skating better then ever. Lambiel has progressed in his "potential" ability as a skater, he just failed to translate that to competition this season unfortunately, but I expect him to be re-motivated by next season and quite possibly do just that. Verner is emerging as a legit threat, and could make some more big strides next season as he did this season.

    I dont think Plushenko will have it easy if he returns. His outrageously inflated PCS will likely(or hopefully atleast) drop somewhat after a year off as well.

    I do think though Plushenko, while a big obstacle for everyone of course , is another major obstacle to Lysacek reaching future podiums, of which he has alot of already, and making this poll topic a more likely yes answer.
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