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I read somewhere that Mao has practiced and landed some 4sal, she just doesn't like the jump
Ladies Short Program - SHOWDOWN - Asada vs. Meissner
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I read somewhere that Mao has practiced and landed some 4sal, she just doesn't like the jump
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Good point. Mao bashing can get a lot worse on Korean websites; I know what is like out there, because my first language is Korean. Figure skating is not soccer; rooting for the skaters from your country is fine and dandy, insulting skaters just because she/he is from the country you love to hate is totally absurd. They gotta to grow up collectively.
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Hmm, let me guess, lack of speed, lack of transitions? I will see what protocols have to say.
Does "basic skating" include easy triples? I appreciate Mao as who she is, and I have loved watching her since 2005. But as long as she can't do what juniors, or even novice ladies can do, I can't say she's a great skater. I partly blame Japanese media for its obsession with triple axel. It clearly became Mao's nemesis when she doesn't even need it as long as she can land other triples. It's time for Japanese ladies to stop fixating on triple axel. There are more Japanese ladies who "attempted" triple axel than the actual number of ladies who landed triple axel. Yoshie Onda, Asada sisters, Nakano, and even Aki Sawada. I would not include Midori Ito on that list for obvious reason.
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Who ever said Mao couldn't land a 3sal or a 3toe? c'mon maybe she just want difficulty in her programs!
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Go to the TEB on YouTube thread of this forum to see Mira's SP. She was slow and had many under-rotated, sloppy jumps.
Mao did land a fully rotated triple toe, at one point last year. And she has landed triple axels before in competition.. As long as she can do the triple axel and the triple toe, Mao Still has 5 types of triples which is the same as everyone else has... And Caroline has issues of her own with the triple salchow. She didn't even attempt it in China.
With her current jump layout in the LP, she maxes out at 6 triples WHEN she includes the 3A, and she gets dinged badly for her flutz. I've only seen her land a 3S once at Japanese Nationals in like 2004 (with a turn-out), and she has a bad toe-axeling habit like Kimmie (although that seems to have improved a lot). So in short, she doesn't leave out the toe and sal because she wants extra difficulty. She leaves them out and does three double axels because she doesn't get the jumps ratified consistently.
It doesn't really hurt her, though. She had only four triples ratified at Skate Canada and her score was still close to 120.
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Yes, she barely salvaged her 2A, finished rotating 1/4 of her second jump in combination on ice, and her blades were stuck.
Footwork was ok, but simple and the speed of the spins was good. But, she always has problems with the speed going in and coming out of her jumps. With not enough speed going in to the jumps, she doesn't get enough height in the air to finish off the landing and get the smooth transitions out of. As a result, she ends up with her blades stuck or having to finish off her jump on the ice. I think judges see her problem and thus dish out low marks.
I still don't understand why her PCS marks so low, though. Her presentation was quite decent.
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I'm guessing maybe the judges view "The Pink Panther" as a junior-level music piece and program. Maybe the judges are trying to tell Mira they want a senior lady and not a little girl. Also, keep in mind she was in the first group and the judges hold back the PCS for early groups of skaters. Not saying that it's right, but I've seen that's the way it is.
That's probably it. Fumie's PCS at Cup of China was abysmally low by her standards, and it was probably because she bombed the SP and skated like second in the LP.
I think that "obvious" is a key word for the edge judgement but also the main cause of trouble. Because the word "obvious" create a lot of grey areas. As for a lip, ISU judges seem to have a kind of dividing line between "obvious" and "not so obvious". That line is whether a skater uses the wrong edge not only at take-off but also during the approach or not. Brian Joubert bends his blades outward both at take-off and during the approach. That is why he is usually caught. On the other hand, Yuna bends her blades outward only at take-off. And her take-off time is a very small fraction of a second. That quick action combined with a half turn before the jump is very effective to confuse Technical Specialists' eyes. Her error is usually not noticed and her lips are categorized as "not so obvious". However, she uses the same wrong edge as Brian Joubert does. The only difference is that she uses the wrong edge for a very, very short time. I am quite sure that Brian can also get away with his lips once he learns Yuna's way of concealing the error.
All the cheaters should be caught the same way no matter how obvious the jump is.
Do not forget that there are half a million of mean-spirited Koreans residing in Japan.
really? how come I only see your posts consistantly displaying such spirit.
Her way of "concealing the error" is trying to do the jump as properly as she knows how. Mao doesn't have a "less obvious" flutz because she's an honest skater who doesn't try to "conceal" the error- it's because her technique is that much worse and she can't do the jump off of anything but an obvious inside edge.
Amen to that. Don't understand why such a simple logic keeps escaping tiara. Or it can be put in her way - Mao is striving to learn to "conceal" her flutz as lutz, and we hope for the future of the sport's sake, that she does eventually. 
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Rafael has stated that it's unfair for Mao to be penalized for doing a flutz and that they have no intentions of training or executing the Lutz properly.
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:disagree: :disapp: That kind of attitude sucks. They both needs to rethink their thought process there.
Rafael commented in an interview that coaching in the states is different than in Russia, so in here he doesn't push it, and respects what his student thinks and wants. Mao very likely shares the same thought of having no intention to correct the flutz.
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