Vise/Trent throw quad Salchow ratified

gsk8 · Nov 19, 2007

From the ISU:

Mrs. Ann Hardy-Thomas, the Technical Controller of the Pairs event at 2007 Trophee Bompard in Paris, France officially ratified the following throw jump in the Free Program as clean:

Tiffany Vise/Derek Trent (USA) throw quadruple Salchow

The throw quadruple Salchow was landed for the first time in competition at an ISU event.

BravesSkateFan · Nov 19, 2007

Congrats to Tiffany and Derek! :clap:

Joesitz (RIP) · Nov 19, 2007

Too bad, Pang and Tong HAD TO skate a 3rd GP which would not even count for them. They had already made the Finals.

I still want to know how they were selected for a 3rd GP?

The bronze medal for V&T would be a nice token for the Quad Sal.

Joe

ElFuego · Nov 19, 2007

Pairs are allowed to skate in 3 GP events (because there aren't as many pair teams as in other disciplines):

See section 2.2 paragraph H (on page 4) of the ISU GP announcement:
http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=579

childfreegirl · Nov 19, 2007

Good for them! :biggrin:

Tigger · Nov 19, 2007

Congratulations Derek and Tiffany!!!

hockeyfan228 · Nov 19, 2007

Congratulations to both!

Mafke · Nov 19, 2007

Oh joy, just what pairs skating needs, another dangerous trick ...

Joesitz (RIP) · Nov 19, 2007

ElFuego said:
Pairs are allowed to skate in 3 GP events (because there aren't as many pair teams as in other disciplines):

See section 2.2 paragraph H (on page 4) of the ISU GP announcement:
http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=579

It's not the rule that I am questioning. It's the selection. Why them?

Joe

fenway · Nov 19, 2007

Mafke said:
Oh joy, just what pairs skating needs, another dangerous trick ...

Well congrats nonetheless :biggrin:

Tinymavy15 · Nov 19, 2007

I cannot wait to see the video. Amazing. An american pairs team is the first to land both the throw 3 axel and the throw quad!!!!!! Not the chinese, not the russians! Funny. and we still can't medal at worlds.

Mathman · Nov 19, 2007

Joesitz said:
I still want to know how they were selected for a 3rd GP?

I guess there just aren't enough top pairs teams around to fill up all the spots.

Anyway, according th the rules, first, the team has to request a third assignment. Then they are assigned in the order of their World ranking. Right now Savchenko and Szolkowy are ranked number one. They will skate their third (non-scoring) event at Cup of Russia (too bad for McLaughlin and Brubaker. :eek:

hwell

Second is Zhang and Zhang. Z&Z are not assigned a third event. I don't know whether they did did not request one, or whether possibly they were ranked below Pang and Tong at the beginning of the season. (It's kind of hard to tell from the "current rankings" on the ISU site. The numbers don't add up to the listed totals, and they are weighted with different factors when the new season starts.)

Pang and Tong are third. So if Zhang and Zhang declined, then Pang and Tong and Savchenko and Szolkowy get the two extra assignments.

The only reason I can think of to accept a third assignment is for the prize money. Or maybe for the chance to practice their programs in front of the international judges.

As for knocking someone else out of the Grand Prix Final, the very top teams are going to make it anyway, so Pang and Tong would have no reason to care which of the lower ranked teams' chances were hurt or helped by their participation.

hockeyfan228 · Nov 19, 2007

Joesitz said:
the Finals.

I still want to know how they were selected for a 3rd GP?

According to the document that ElFuego posted,

the ranking order of the ISU World Standings will decide upon the priority order of such a third event

But that's only after every pair that could be assigned two already has been.

Given the number of split-ups and time-offs and retirements, the pairs are woefully depleted, and they are finding it hard enough to field two complete flights. I think Mathman is dead on with this.

Also, if you look at the two nations who've invited seeded skaters -- France (P/T) and NHK (S/S), they have no skin in the Pairs game, but it doesn't hurt to be on the good side of the invitees' nations for other disciplines. Not to mention that the fans are generally much more interested in seeing a world-class team than lower-ranked teams, especially in pairs.

Joesitz (RIP) · Nov 20, 2007

Thanks for the information on selecting Top Teams for a 3rd Assignment in Pairs. I would add: box office.

Since it will definitely knock some fledgling Team off the podium, one could add this point as an additional reason to keep new teams from forming. Fledgling teams that get a bronze would encourage more teams.

Joe

eleonora.d · Nov 20, 2007

Tinymavy15 said:
I cannot wait to see the video. Amazing. An american pairs team is the first to land both the throw 3 axel and the throw quad!!!!!! Not the chinese, not the russians! Funny. and we still can't medal at worlds.

here is the LP
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=SJjy1RLq7aY

and a slow motion I uploaded on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jpta3pnChA

Joesitz (RIP) · Nov 20, 2007

Well, I guess one would say, the Pairs, this year is rigged in favor of Elite skaters only.

chuckm · Nov 20, 2007

Joesitz said:
Well, I guess one would say, the Pairs, this year is rigged in favor of Elite skaters only.

And in what year hasn't it been?

Mathman · Nov 20, 2007

Joesitz said:
I would add: box office.

That is certainly a concern of the ISU. Naturally they want to put on shows that people will want to come and see.

But I wonder if they are right in believing that only the top-rated teams can attract an audience. I doubt that more French fans bought tickets to see Pang and Tong skate than they would have if an up-and-coming team had substituted in their place.

Tinymavy15 · Nov 21, 2007

here is the LP
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=SJjy1RLq7aY

and a slow motion I uploaded on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jpta3pnChA

thanks for the vidoes. They looked so happy, I had to smile alomg with them!!! Good for them, it must have been such a great feeling.

Vise/Trent throw quad Salchow ratified

gsk8

BravesSkateFan

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Tigger

hockeyfan228

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Tinymavy15

Sinnerman for the win

Mathman

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Joesitz (RIP)

chuckm

Mathman

Tinymavy15

Sinnerman for the win

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