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    Outlook on Ladies

    Ladies Looking Good

    Asad
    Kim
    Meissner
    Nakano

    Precarious Ladies

    Zhang - 24
    Rochette -22

    Last Chance Ladies

    Ando (more than likely in the first category above)
    Kostner - 11 at the moment.

    IMO, the European judges will go for Kostner, and Zhang will be tossed out

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Ladies Looking Good

    Asad
    Kim
    Meissner
    Nakano

    Precarious Ladies

    Zhang - 24
    Rochette -22

    Last Chance Ladies

    Ando (more than likely in the first category above)
    Kostner - 11 at the moment.

    IMO, the European judges will go for Kostner, and Zhang will be tossed out

    Joe
    Kostner has 5-7 points advantage in pcs over Zhang. That said, her TES must be substantially higher than she got at CoC, which she is surely capable of yet unpredictable. Do you think Europeans judges will award her HUGE pcs even if her TES is same as or lower than Zhangs to send her to GPF?

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    Kostner needs a Silver to tie Zhang. If she gets a bronze, she ties Rochette.

    If she ties Rochette, who gets the 6th place?

    Joe

    oops - I forgot, Meier needs a Silver to join the tie. - Likely?
    Last edited by Joesitz; 11-28-2007 at 12:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    If she ties Rochette, who gets the 6th place?

    Joe
    Assuming Ando wins, the 6th place would go to Zhang.

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    If Kostner gets silver both she and Zhang will have equal high placements. If we go to the scores to break the ties, won't we have to wait for Kostner's scores? Not sure of breaking ties. Mathman is very good at this.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    If Kostner gets silver both she and Zhang will have equal high placements. If we go to the scores to break the ties, won't we have to wait for Kostner's scores? Not sure of breaking ties. Mathman is very good at this.

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    Right. Assuming Ando wins gold, a silver for Kostner will place her and Zhang in a tie. The first tie-breaker would be highest placement at a single event. It would be silver for both so the second tie-breaker would be total score from both Grand Prix events. For this, Kostner needs a 165.84 or higher to surpass Zhang.

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    This is all going to be so interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    oops - I forgot, Meier needs a Silver to join the tie. - Likely?

    No, I think Sarah needs gold. She was 4th at TEB so that would give her 24 points too, but she would beat Caroline with 1st and 4th coold gets her inmpared to Caroline's 2nd and 3rd. I'd love to see Sarah in the final but I don't think it'll happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Kostner needs a Silver to tie Zhang. If she gets a bronze, she ties Rochette.

    If she ties Rochette, who gets the 6th place?

    Joe

    oops - I forgot, Meier needs a Silver to join the tie. - Likely?
    Sarah Meier needs to win if she is to tie Caroline Zhang with 24 points

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    The only person that can knock Caroline Zhang out of the GPF is Carolina Kostner with Miki Ando likely in

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    Carolina needs to win silver at NHK and score over 165 points to knock Zhang out of the GPF. Carolina scored only 143+ at CoC to Zhang's 153+ at SA and 156+ at CoC. Problem is Carolina is not good when skating under pressure, and she needs to nail both SP and FS to get the necessary points.

    As for the European judges backing Carolina, they can do that in the PCS, but not in the TES. If Carolina doesn't land her jumps, she could finish second with high PCS but not earn enough points to get the GPF spot. And don't forget that there are several Euro skaters in this competition besides Carolina. Euro judges' preferences will be split among Kostner, Meier, Lepisto and Gedevanishvili. That won't help Carolina, especially if Meier and Lepisto skate well (neither is under pressure to make the GPF as Carolina is).

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    Ando landed quadruple salchows at an NHK practice session. So she is in good form. What little chance Kostner and Meier had of winning has gone kaput, IMO.

    I think Kostner can just as easily finish 2nd or 5th. She might challenge Ando in the short program, but that's it.

    1 Ando 180
    2 Meier 160
    3 Kostner 155

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    Here's the link to the video showing Miki's 4S:
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5QFyhth2uoc

    It's a beautiful quad!

    Apparently she said she won't put it into this competition (she really doesn't need it), but yeah, if she's landing quads then she must be in quite good shape.

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    Wow, Miki is so ON! She should win this easily. Although I really like Kostner, she's too inconsistent, Zhang seems to have a better chance in the battle of Caros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Carolina needs to win silver at NHK and score over 165 points to knock Zhang out of the GPF.
    If I was that SA technical specialist :banging:, I'd be praying that Carolina either gets a new personal best (175+) or scores below 165.


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