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    Thumbs down Liashenko is the pitts when it comes to telegraphing

    I think Liashenko is by far the worst for telegraphing. her set ups are usually more than the full length of the ice-rink.

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    I think it's refreshing when a skater seems to launch a triple jump out of the blue, so to speak.
    The only skater that I can think of right at this time who just jumps is Evgeny Plushenko. I have always appreciated that about his skating.

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    Re: Telegraphing Your Jumps

    Originally posted by SkateFan4Life
    Another example is the triple axel. How many times have we watched our favorite skaters stroke around purposely just prior to trying a triple axel? Again, not much of an element of surprise.

    I think it's refreshing when a skater seems to launch a triple jump out of the blue, so to speak. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, I say, "Hallelujah!".

    Just my two cents, of course. [/B]
    I don't mind too much when male skaters telegraph their 3axel or quads. Those are very difficult jumps. It's when they are telegraphing all their other jumps as well that I start to get annoyed.

    Kristi Yamaguchi was superb at maintaining flow and having smooth presentation in and out of the jumps (except the salchow). Several of her programs highlight this trait, Malaguena is one of the best examples.

    Telegraphing is a problem which one can certainly overcome. If you watch early performance by Chen Lu -- say around '92-'93, she was telegraphing her jumps quite badly. By 1996, however, all the elements were so well integrated into her performance that people said, "It was so beautiful you forgot what you were watching."

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    Telegraphing is one of my pet peeves in skating. Nothing worse then seeing someone stroke stroke and telegraph across the ice to do a jump. The jump might be great but getting there looks awful.

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    Re: Telegraphing Your Jumps

    Originally posted by Ladskater
    Kurt Browning never "telegraphs". His jumps come out of nowhere! He is probably the best skater I have ever seen at the "element of surprise." It is refreshing to see.
    he did when he performed the lutz... he doesn't so much anymore... but once upon a time you could tell when that lutz and or flip was coming... he'd look back, tongue would touch his upper lip for a second... and then BAM(well I close my eyes on my tapes even when he lands them but still)...

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    Originally posted by show 42
    Scott Hamiliton did a funny routine a few years ago were he incorporated many classic moves from various skaters and time periods. He did do a very long entry into a jump, paying tribute I suppose to those who "telegraph" their jumps.......too cute...Toni, do you remember the routine? 42
    no I don't but now I'm extremely interested... what part in his career was this? I have quite a few on tape... but I can't think of one like this... he has so many parodies though LOL


    there was Fun & Games... but that was making fun of the Olympics... and he was making fun of himself as a commentator LOL

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    telegraphing figue skating jumps is synonimous with announcing the dive before it's executed in the Diving Competitions. Nothing wrong with that but are the telegraphs flowing over the ice? or are they 'look ma, a quad?'.

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    Telegraphing Your Jumps

    Personallly, I like seeing telegraphing on the Lutz. Maybe this is the problem with Flutzing. If skaters took more time on the entrance of their Lutz maybe we wouldn't see so many Flutzes. I wonder if the term Flutz is in the dictionary yet?
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    There's just something about the very deliberate setup that detracts from the fluidity of the program. While it's impossible to not jump without setup, the best can make it less obvious.

    A few seasons back, MK was having trouble with her Lutz. She and Frank made her entrance shorter. I think it gives her less time to get 'anxious' about it and flub it due to hesitation.

    Surya was particularly bad with telegraphing during her eligible days. A friend of mine once asked 'Who was that girl who skated on one foot for the entire length of the rink before jumping?' Answer: Surya setting up her lutz during Oly LP.

    Tonia K also had a short entrance into her lutz, but it was telegraphed because she was using a crossed foot entrance. I know it made it harder, but the deliberateness of it made it less attractive within the flow of the routine.

    It's definitely a balancing act. The more difficult entrances allow for more telegraphing, but show off the technique. I prefer the fluid.

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    Telegraphing Your Jumps

    Actually, before triples and quads became an absolute rule for skaters to perform in their programs, very few skaters "telegraphed" their jumps. Taking off in the air to rotate three or four times is no easy task, especially if it is a combination jump. Believe me it takes a lot of "guts" in the first place to do these jumps, plus strength. Female skaters -especially- sometimes launch themselves into these jumps a little pensive - unless they are jumping jacks - like Midori Ito was - she went up with such ease! Jennifer Robinson takes forever to do her triple lutz. I hold my breath while she is setting up. I know right away what she is planning. So I guess unless we ourselves are out there on the ice doing the same jumps, it's kind of unfair to "judge" each skater on his/her technique. I am just glad when they land their jumps cleanly.

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    I don't mind telegraphing but when you glide on both feet or do a Liashenko and glide with one leg in the air for a long time it starts to look awkward but you have to have some set up.

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    It's worse if they can't figure out what to do with the free leg
    while executing that rink-long backward glide. IMO, the worst possible choice is to bend the free leg knee a lot and leave the foot kind of hanging off the ankle like a salami in a NY deli.

    If the position is prettier, I can put up with it, just maybe.

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    Ladskater,

    "It's unfair to judge each skater on his/her technique"

    Geez, I'm confused. Isn't "judging" what competitive skating is all about?

    Dizzy

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    I always thought that double jumps lend themselves so well to the artistic and intepretative programs. The flow from movement to jump to movement is seamless, no prep work or set-up needed as it is for the triple jumps.

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    I wish my guy Timothy Goebel could think of something to do with his arms when he sets up for a jump.

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