- Joined
- Jul 11, 2003
(This is just something to mull over while waiting for Worlds)
With the exception of little jumps like a half loop or any jump that ends in a bunny hop, all jumps look the same in the air, rotate in the same direction in the air, and all land on the same one foot on a back outside edge. Some jumps end on a back inside edge but not when it is a Triple Jump - not that it can't, it's just too difficult and is not rewarded in the base values of scoring.
I think the problem with many jumps is caused by a faulty take off. The take off is, imo, the most important part of a jump, and it gives the jump a name, It is totally obvious in the Axel. One can see a problem at the take-off. There is a loss of proper posture in the air giving way to a fall or a screwed up landing.
The edge jumps do not seem to present much problem because prerotation is not a fault and it gives time for the skater to find that solid edge for a take-off. The Sal Chow has become much safer by keeping their legs together before tak-off but it also lost the beauty of the jump, imo. I just prefer to see a sweeping salchow and not a mintsy one. However, the points dictate which the skater will do sweeping or mintsy.
In take-off jumps by toe pick, and over extended back outside edge for Toe Loop can cause a bad miss that shouldn't have happened. There has been enough discussion about the Flutz and the Lip which do not cause accidents. Same could be said for taking off on a Flat. Skaters seemed to have learned them early in their career and it became a habit. Correcting the bad habit does not seem important to most skaters.
In Pairs, the side-by-side take offs are problematic because of the take offs. I think - not sure - the problem lies on which skater is on the inside and which is on the outside. One seems to be taking off at an awkward angle. This should be corrected.
Also the Throw Jumps in Pairs have their problems. Is it the man partner or the lady partner at fault because it's not unusual. Regardless of who's fault it is, I believe it is Timing problem. Not sure and I would like someone knowlegeble about this move to reply.
Any other Jump Take-Offs which may cause poor landing jumps?
Joe
With the exception of little jumps like a half loop or any jump that ends in a bunny hop, all jumps look the same in the air, rotate in the same direction in the air, and all land on the same one foot on a back outside edge. Some jumps end on a back inside edge but not when it is a Triple Jump - not that it can't, it's just too difficult and is not rewarded in the base values of scoring.
I think the problem with many jumps is caused by a faulty take off. The take off is, imo, the most important part of a jump, and it gives the jump a name, It is totally obvious in the Axel. One can see a problem at the take-off. There is a loss of proper posture in the air giving way to a fall or a screwed up landing.
The edge jumps do not seem to present much problem because prerotation is not a fault and it gives time for the skater to find that solid edge for a take-off. The Sal Chow has become much safer by keeping their legs together before tak-off but it also lost the beauty of the jump, imo. I just prefer to see a sweeping salchow and not a mintsy one. However, the points dictate which the skater will do sweeping or mintsy.
In take-off jumps by toe pick, and over extended back outside edge for Toe Loop can cause a bad miss that shouldn't have happened. There has been enough discussion about the Flutz and the Lip which do not cause accidents. Same could be said for taking off on a Flat. Skaters seemed to have learned them early in their career and it became a habit. Correcting the bad habit does not seem important to most skaters.
In Pairs, the side-by-side take offs are problematic because of the take offs. I think - not sure - the problem lies on which skater is on the inside and which is on the outside. One seems to be taking off at an awkward angle. This should be corrected.
Also the Throw Jumps in Pairs have their problems. Is it the man partner or the lady partner at fault because it's not unusual. Regardless of who's fault it is, I believe it is Timing problem. Not sure and I would like someone knowlegeble about this move to reply.
Any other Jump Take-Offs which may cause poor landing jumps?
Joe