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    P&T
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    T&M (sorry, these two Russian teams put me to sleep-truly missing B&S)
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    That is all I can think of for now.

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    In my opinion, Maria Petrova and Alexei Tikhonov are one of the most boring, uninspiring pairs teams to ever win a World title.
    They definitely have talent, but their mediocre choregraphy, their lack of musicality, and their complete lack of audience connection just about puts me to sleep whenever they perform.

    As far as I'm concerned, the judges have consistently scored
    P & T far higher then they deserve to be scored. Their bronze medal at this years Worlds was a gift, in my estimation.

    BORING, BORING, BORING!!!

    :sheesh:

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    Perhaps my "least favorite" ice dance team was the Soviet pair of Natalia Bestemianova/Andre Bukin. Sure, they won four World titles from 1985 thru 1988 and the 1988 Olympic gold medal, but so many of their programs were chock-filled with "wierd" choregraphy, complimented with garish costumes.

    Another "least favorite" skater was Austrian Trixi Schuba, who won the 1971 and 1972 World titles and the 1972 Olympic gold medal. While Trixi was perhaps the greatest-ever performer of the compulsory school figures, her free skating was, quite frankly, an embarrassment. She was quite "clunky" and gawky out there, and there wasn't the slightest hint of femininity or gracefulness.
    Typically, Trixi would place sixth or seventh in the long program, and several skaters who outskated her in the long program did not even make it to the podium. It wasn't Trixi's fault that she won those titles, and she won according to the rules, which were based upon cumulative scores. But, boy, was she ever a weak free skater!

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    Least favorite skaters

    I have to admit that, with the possible exception of Elena Sokolova, I really don't like any of the recent Russian women skaters.

    Irina Slutskaya is, in my opinion, the most overmarked and held-up skater ever. I can't understand why she consistently gets such high marks from the judges. The technical marks I can see somewhat--she does spin fast and jump high. But her spin positions are nothing special and her jumps are always telegraphed. Not only that, but her long programs are often riddled with small mistakes on the jumps--hands down, two-footed landings, little spin-outs at the ends of jumps. Still, I can understand her technical marks somewhat. Her high artistic scores are, however, inexplicable. Although she's improving, artistry just doesn't come naturally to Irina. She has little musicality, her positions in all her moves are sloppy, and even her basic stroking is ungainly-looking. It enrages me that she gets the same or better artistic marks as the American ladies, despite the fact that nearly all the American girls' spirals, posture, and spin positions are vastly superior to Irina's.

    Maria Butyrskya was another ridiculously overmarked skater. Poor jumping technique, slow spins, insecure stroking, and, seemingly, a basic inability to hold her free leg out straight. (My father pointed out to me years ago that Maria's free leg was almost always bent, rather than straight. Check out your tapes and you'll see what I mean.) About the only thing Maria had going for her was her sheer charisma on ice.

    Viktoria Volchkova is also overrated, in my opinion. Yes, her jumps are big, but so what? She still falls on too many of the jumps. And despite Peggy's raving about Viktoria's grace on the ice, I just don't see it. To me, she has a lot of the same weaknesses as Irina--little muscality, poor positions, no stretch to her skating. Viktoria just looks lazy on the ice, as if she can't be bothered to put any effort into what she's doing.

    Elena Sokolova's skating has a lot of the same flaws as the other Russian women. Her artistry and positions are very lacking when compared to the American ladies. However, of the Russian women, I do like Elena the best. Her skating technique is a little more solid than the other Russian ladies'. By that, I mean that Elena at least can stroke around the rink without pumping her upper body and arms (as Irina does) or falling on simple footwork (as Maria did). There is speed to Elena's skating and good edges. Her artistry is rough at the moment, but I feel like at least there's some potential there.

    As a group, though, the Russian ladies seem very overmarked. I'm usually not a paranoid person, but sometimes over the last few years, I've really wondered if there was some kind of judging conspiracy in place to hold up the Russian women, just so that the American women wouldn't completely dominate ladies' skating.

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    Sarah Hughes absolutely. I have never understood the big deal made about her skating, she tends to be all knees and elbows....and her spiral!?! Her free leg always looks bent to me.
    She is awkward, awkward, awkward...and, oh, the flutz!

    Tara Lipinksi - have never cared for her skating a whole lot.

    Plushenko doesn't do a whole lot for me either. I know he's World Champion and can do quad-triple-triples and all that and has a Biellman spin. But, it doesn't seem to matter, his skating doesn't thrill me much.

    And, most of the ice dancers bore me to death. I liked Jamie Silverstein and Justin Pekarek (sp?), but they aren't around anymore so it's back to the same ho-hum ice dancing. Really, Klimova and Ponamorenko (sp?) were the only ice dancers that I couldn't take my eyes off of.

    And, Petrova and Tikhonov - just don't get the big deal about them at all!

    Johnny Weir - odd fellow, don't care for his skating or his attitude - and with that nonsense that he pulled this season w/stopping his program - whatever. I can't believe he won some award recently for his sportsmanship or something like that b/c of that. Huh?!

    But, never say never, any one of the skaters or teams/pairs could just knock my socks off one day - Goebel certainly changed my opinion regarding his skating at this year's Worlds (even if he did use an old program) - he used to be one of my least faves, but not anymore - he's been great the last couple of years!

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    Sarah H: Got lucky IMO and never had much besides silly posing and bad knees. Horrible, eye poking out worthy lutz technique.

    Weiss: ugh, mostly for off ice reasons. I hate arrogance.

    T/M: Could they be any duller? If they tried?

    Yoshie Onda: another case for voluntary blindness! :D

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    I will step in and be a diplomat. While there are skaters who, do in fact,
    cure any bouts of imsomnia I might be having, there is usually at least one
    thing about their skating that I can appreciate. (I am desperately trying to
    think of something Tim does that I like...okay, off ice, he's very, very nice...)

    Ahem, anyway, so I was saying, there is always something nice in everyone's
    skating, even if they are total weasels off the ice (I am so NOT mentioning
    any names here, don't want to start one of THOSE threads).

    Laura, fan of all....fan of many....er, fan of lots?

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    It's interesting that several names keep popping up over and over. I have to agree with the assessments of Maria B. I never enjoyed any of her performances and though I have tried, I never, ever saw what was so wonderful about Pasha (I guess she changed her name back to Oksana). All I saw when she skated was "knobby" knees.............One more comment.......I was totally surprised at Katia and Sergei and Paul Wylie being named as "least favorite" skaters. I want to ask.....why? 42

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    Show - As always, a good post. I have no idea as to why people would put down Katia and Sergei, and Paul. It probably has to do with one incidental performance either competitive or exchibition.

    I was never a fan of Maria B, but I had to watch her. She had, for me, certain elements which were among if not the the best. But total performance, I agree. She just disappeared from my mind after her skate.

    I could never get to Tara either. For me she had so much to learn., and she could have. but her goal was to be the Oly champ at the wrong time. She did it, but it wasn't what I would call a sensation. (Nothing compared to whatSarah accomplished) Tara had her moments in SOI, but even there she was hardly the most interesting skater. She had her fifteen minutes (4 years of Oly champ) and now, in my opinion, is fading away. I think of her as a footnote for being the youngest Oly champ.

    I'll probably get bombarded with posts with that view, but I just feel this way.

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    ITA with eyria's assessment about the Russian ladies. Everytime I watch one of those skaters, I ask myself how, in the land of the Bolshoi and the Kirov, they could turn out such unpolished women figure skaters?

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    I notice that a lot of people are listing Sarah Hughes as one of their least favorite skaters, and if you asked me a year ago, I would have agreed. But after seeing her "La Bayadere" at Worlds 2003, jumps aside, I thought she really developed a sense of grace and presence on the ice that I had not seen before, even after watching tapes of the same program from Nationals and the various fluff competitions.

    Maybe it was her new body type, or her more refined movement, especially in the arms and hands, but something finally made her watchable for me. So much so that I think hers became one of my favorite ladies' long programs this year.
    Last edited by EricAba; 08-28-2003 at 01:48 PM.

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    As much as I enjoyed watching Calla Urbanski and Rocky Marvel skate under the "Waitress and the Truck Driver" label, I never really enjoyed their skating. It was always a bit on the rough side, quite unpolished, and their programs always had one or more errors that cost them marks with the international judges.

    I hope this doesn't sound snobby, because it isn't meant to be.
    I think I'll start a new thread to praise U and M!

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    Nancy Kerrigan would be my choice. Her skating never seemed to flow from the music. It was like painting by the numbers in comparison to genuine art. The skaters whom I most admire seem to be a part of the music.

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    I didn´t enjoy:

    Petrova/Tikhonov
    Goebel
    Sandhu

    no more comment - I don´t like their performances

    Alina

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    Originally posted by EricAba
    I notice that a lot of people are listing Sarah Hughes as one of their least favorite skaters, and if you asked me a year ago, I would have agreed. But after seeing her "La Bayadere" at Worlds 2003, jumps aside, I thought she really developed a sense of grace and presence on the ice that I had not seen before, even after watching tapes of the same program from Nationals and the various fluff competitions.

    Maybe it was her new body type, or her more refined movement, especially in the arms and hands, but something finally made her watchable for me. So much so that I think hers became one of my favorite ladies' long programs this year.
    I agree. I actually enjoyed her skating for the 1st time at worlds. She looked more graceful but one competition isn't going to make a fan out of a lot of people that never really liked her (skating). If she would have continued to show grace on ice then maybe she would have won me over. I still hate her jumps though and I don't know how that would change since I don't see her ever making them pleasing to the eye.

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