I'm not sure why you state that as though it's fact. It didn't sound like there were lyrics to me, or to the judges at Skate Canada, French Nats and Europeans. Why would Joubert, J.C. Simond and Kurt Browning knowingly break the rules? And surely the French federation would have tried to avoid this problem if it was as obvious as you suggest?Originally Posted by antmanb
I think in a situation like that, a skater should be given the benefit of the doubt unless it's really glaring. Maybe there can be some way to certify music at the start of the season - waiting until Worlds to stick him with a deduction was unfair.
Last edited by Buttercup; 06-06-2008 at 06:28 AM.
Personally, I disagree that it's "obviously" lyrics. It's obviously vocals - beyond that it's hard to discern; I've watched the program more than once, my hearing's fine, and I can't tell for sure - though as my posts make clear, I'm leaning towards no lyrics. I would like to believe that the people involved were smart and fair enough not to violate known ISU regulations - and really why would anyone choose to disregard such a rule on purpose? What advantage could it possibly give the skater?
I still believe that all skaters should be given the benefit of the doubt in this type of situation - whether they are top 10 or not. Regardless, there needs to be some mechanism for clearing music for competitions. Surely the ISU, with its love of micromanaging every aspect of the performances these days, can handle this? And finally, getting back to my original point: overzealous application of the rules without giving the benefit of the doubt may lead skaters to make less varied music choices. Which would be bad.
1. The Finnish ladies - I would love to see Susanna Pöykiö make a successful comeback, and it would be great if she has the time to train at least one new program. She's lovely to watch. I would also be happy to see Kiira Korpi bounce back from what had to have been a very disappointing Worlds. I'm not sold on Laura Lepisto and haven't seen Vähämaa enough times to form an opinion.
2. I wonder what Stephane Lambiel will come up with, seeing as he's changing coaching teams. And if Plushy does make his rumored comeback, please don't let it be with that Eurovision song, instrumental or as an exhibition.
You clearly want to believe that Joubert and his team behaved stupidly and willfully broke the rules. Both are your own interpretations. Worth the risk? It's not like going for a big jump and falling; there is no advantage in having lyrics in your music.
I am not going to revisit this issue. I am sorry for the threadjacking; it was not my original intention to do so. I hope to see skaters using vocals as instruments again in 2009 and to have them receive no deductions for it.
Pang & Tong have finished their choreography. They will have two new programs next season. The short program is blues style music, choreographed by Sarah Kawahara. The long program is a mixture of tango, and lyrics music, done by Morozov.
Zhang & Zhang are working with Shpilband VS Zueva on a new long program, together with two Chinese ice dancing teams.
I might be in the minority but I liked P and T's Romeo and Juliet last season. As much as Morozov give me hives, he does come up with decent choreography. I"m curious to hear the music, tango with lyrics? Oh please tell me it's not Cell Block Tango! Pop Squish Cicero Yao Bin! Seriously though, lyrics aren't allowed and I don't understand the difference between "the voice as an instrument" and someone saying words. To me, it all sounds like a type of lyric. I'd hate to think Morozov was setting them up for a vocal deduction.
On the other hand, I've always liked Kawahara's work. I can't wait to see their short.
How do I know? First of all I edit music for figure skaters and secondly, I just skated to West Side Story last year. My version was just piano, violin and once and a while there were drums. Not all movie soundtracks are equal with having enough music that has no vocals. And stripping the vocals out of pieces usually takes all of the melody out.