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    Personally I have gotten to the point where I don't care who wins. I just want to see lights out skating. I wouldn't mind if they all tied(except Johnny)Really I would just like to see skaters improve and do their best. My favorite moment is knowing you just saw a personal best, and then the judges agree with you. When you see the skaters facial expression after they hear or see those marks. It is some times up there with winning. I would like to see a GPF of the most improved six skater over the season. Now that would be different fun, and a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisH View Post
    Agree about inviting the best possible and boosting attendance. I thought that the camera work and audio system at Reading, Pennsylvania was good. (Zhang's 3 day performance in Reading was my favorite of the year partly because the coverage was better there.) It was a well run event, but did lack in attendance and perhaps could've been more glitzy. What are the prospects for Everett, Washington?
    They didn't invite YuNa. She came with the package. Attendance is very important for the Feds. The scheme by Cinquanta was to make money - not to care all that much about the skaters.

    enlight - Good post. I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Mirai's mind set at Skate America should be, "Poor Yu-na Kim. She has to skate against ME!"
    LOL! Actually, knowing her coaching team, I'm sure she will be encouraged to just appreciate the honor of being invited to skate in that group. And that mindset is probably the best one to have, since it will take the pressure off and allow her to enjoy her performance. Also, she had a strong first event of the season last year (JGP Lake Placid), so hopefully she'll start off strong this year, too. And she'll get to stay on her own time zone for a change!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlaurend View Post
    LOL! Actually, knowing her coaching team, I'm sure she will be encouraged to just appreciate the honor of being invited to skate in that group. And that mindset is probably the best one to have, since it will take the pressure off and allow her to enjoy her performance. Also, she had a strong first event of the season last year (JGP Lake Placid), so hopefully she'll start off strong this year, too. And she'll get to stay on her own time zone for a change!
    There was a sweet article about Mirai in Blades on Ice this issue, emphasizing what a down-to-earth person she is in "real life." Or rather, I should say, she is the same person in real life as she is on the ice.

    She attends regular high school and takes a full load of classes (except that she gets excused from physical education -- I guess the school agrees that the two hours she puts in on the ice each morning before school is enough to keep her from turning into a coach potato. )

    In the interview Mirai mentions how her sudden success took her by storm. Two years ago she "never went anywhere," and now she gets invited all over the world, to competitons and shows
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    Does Skate America predict the World Champion?

    In men’s and ladies, it has happened 16 times that the winner of Skate America went on to win Worlds or the Olympics that year. (Eleven other times the Skate America winner had to settle for World silver.)

    Men’s

    1980-81 Scott Hamilton (1st at Worlds)
    1982-83 Scott Hamilton (1st)
    1986-87 Brian Boitano (2nd )
    1988-89 Christopher Bowman (2nd)
    1990-91 Viktor Petrenko (2nd)
    1994-95 Todd Eldredge (2nd)
    1995-96 Todd Eldredge (1st)
    1996-97 Todd Eldredge (2nd)
    1997-98 Todd Eldredge (2nd)
    1998-99 Alexei Yagudin (1st)
    1999-2000 Alexei Yagudin (1st)
    2001-2002 Timothey Goebel (2nd)

    Ladies

    1982-83 Rosalin Sumners (1st)
    1985-86 Debi Thomas (1st)
    1990-91 Kristi Yamguchi (1st)
    1993-94 Oksana Baiul (1st at Olympics)
    1994-95 Surya Bonaly (2nd)
    1995-96 Michelle Kwan (1st)
    1996-97 Michelle Kwan (2nd)
    1997-98 Michelle Kwan (1st Worlds, 2nd Olympics)
    1998-99 Maria Butyrskaya (1st )
    1999-2000 Michelle Kwan (1st)
    2000-2001 Michelle Kwan (1st)
    2001-2002 Michelle Kwan (2nd at Worlds)
    2002-03 Michelle Kwan (1st at 2003 Worlds )
    2003-04 Sasha Cohen (2nd)
    2006-2007 Miki Ando (1st)

    So there you are. Yu-na Kim will win Skate America and, therefore, is guaranteed to be the next World Champion (or at least the silver medalist).

    Also – very good news for Weir, Lysacek and Van der Perren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    In men’s and ladies, it has happened 16 times that the winner of Skate America went on to win Worlds or the Olympics that year. (Eleven other times the Skate America winner had to settle for World silver.)

    Men’s

    1980-81 Scott Hamilton (1st at Worlds)
    1982-83 Scott Hamilton (1st)
    1986-87 Brian Boitano (2nd )
    1988-89 Christopher Bowman (2nd)
    1990-91 Viktor Petrenko (2nd)
    1994-95 Todd Eldredge (2nd)
    1995-96 Todd Eldredge (1st)
    1996-97 Todd Eldredge (2nd)
    1997-98 Todd Eldredge (2nd)
    1998-99 Alexei Yagudin (1st)
    1999-2000 Alexei Yagudin (1st)
    2001-2002 Timothey Goebel (2nd)

    Ladies

    1982-83 Rosalin Sumners (1st)
    1985-86 Debi Thomas (1st)
    1990-91 Kristi Yamguchi (1st)
    1993-94 Oksana Baiul (1st at Olympics)
    1994-95 Surya Bonaly (2nd)
    1995-96 Michelle Kwan (1st)
    1996-97 Michelle Kwan (2nd)
    1997-98 Michelle Kwan (1st Worlds, 2nd Olympics)
    1998-99 Maria Butyrskaya (1st )
    1999-2000 Michelle Kwan (1st)
    2000-2001 Michelle Kwan (1st)
    2001-2002 Michelle Kwan (2nd at Worlds)
    2002-03 Michelle Kwan (1st at 2003 Worlds )
    2003-04 Sasha Cohen (2nd)
    2006-2007 Miki Ando (1st)

    So there you are. Yu-na Kim will win Skate America and, therefore, is guaranteed to be the next World Champion (or at least the silver medalist).

    Also – very good news for Weir, Lysacek and Van der Perren.
    Thanks for that awesome stats!
    SA is the first event of the season, skaters who compete there need to settle their programs than later events, says NHK.

    I did expect Nagasu and Flatt to do well in their first senior debut, but I also will be not surprised eaither if none of them made to final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kandidy View Post
    I did expect Nagasu and Flatt to do well in their first senior debut, but I also will be not surprised eaither if none of them made to final.
    I presume you mean their first Sr.GP debut. They already have been at Sr.Nats.

    Can we coax Mathman to dig up some statistics on how many who won the GPFinal went on to win the Worlds/Olys?

    Joe

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    My gut prediction for the ladies at Skate America is:
    1) Yu-Na Kim
    2) Yukari Nakano
    3) Miki Ando
    4) Rachael Flatt
    5) Mirai Nagasu
    6) Kimmie Meissner

    I would not be at all surprised though to see Rachael overtake Miki for the bronze medal since Ando's conditioning is such a question mark at the moment. As for that SA champ = World champ statistic, I'd LOVE for Yu-Na to finally claim that World gold that has eluded her due to her history of injuries. She is definitely worthy of that title given her abilities and her accomplishments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Can we coax Mathman to dig up some statistics on how many who won the GPFinal went on to win the Worlds/Olys?
    I live to serve! here is the list of Grand Prix Finals winners, together with their placement at Worlds that year.

    Men

    1995-96 Grand Prix Finals winner: Urmanov (Worlds – 5th)
    1996-97 Stojko (1st at Worlds)
    1997-98 Kulik (1st at Olympics)
    1998-99 Yagudin (1st)
    1999-2000 Plushenko (4th)
    2000-01 Plushenko (1st)
    2001-02 Yagundin (1st at Olympics, 1st at Worlds)
    2002-03 Plushenko (1st)
    2003-04 Sandhu (8th at Worlds )
    2004-05 Plushenko (withdrew from Worlds with injury)
    2005-06 Lambiel (1st)
    2006-07 Joubert (1st)
    2007-08 Lambiel (5th)

    So, 8 times out of 13 the Grand Prix Finals winner went on to win Worlds.

    Ladies

    1995-96 Kwan (1st)
    1996-97 Lipinski (1st)
    1997-98 Lipinski (1st Olympics)
    1998-99 Malinina (4th)

    Starting with the 1999-2000 season, here is the Grand Prix podium, followed by the World podium (in parentheses.)

    1999-2000 Slutskaya, Kwan, Butyrskaya (Kwan, Slutskaya, Butyrskaya)
    2000-01 Slutskaya, Kwan, Hughes (Kwan, Slutskaya, Hughes)
    2001-02 Slutskaya, Kwan, Hughes (Olys: Hughes, Slutskaya, Kwan; Worlds: Slutskaya, Kwan, Suguri -- Hughes did not compete.)
    2002-03 Cohen, Slutskaya, Volchkova (Kwan, Sokolova, Suguri)
    2003-04 Suguri, Cohen, Arakawa (Arakawa, Cohen, Kwan)
    2004-05 Slutskaya, Arakawa, Rochette (Slutskaya, Cohen, Kostner)
    2005-06 Asada, Slutskaya, Nakano (Olys: Arakawa, Cohen, Slutskaya)
    2006-07 Kim, Asada, Meier (Ando, Asada, Kim)
    2007-08 Kim, Asda, Kostner (Asada, Kostner, Kim)

    Six out of the last nine seasons, at least two of the three GP finals medalists were also wolrd/Olympics medalist that year. Four times the GP Finals podium was exactly the same (in a different order) as the World podium.

    (I don’t know what all this proves, except that, by and large, the best skaters are the best skaters.)
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    I am curious whether winning the SA is more predictive than another GP, say SC or TEB...

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    [[QUOTE=Mathman;324082I) (I don’t know what all this proves, except that, by and large, the best skaters are the best skaters.) [/QUOTE]

    That's exactly it. Not one real surprise here. 2nd tier skaters remain 2nd tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
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    That's exactly it. Not one real surprise here. 2nd tier skaters remain 2nd tier.
    Or, that unlike other federations, USFSA likes to choose the best of the best for its competition. No sense inviting tier-2 skaters for the "premier" international.

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    Very interesting. Maybe the ISI is aware of this and that is why Skate America is always jam packed with the top skaters. I sure hope Caroline skates well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by feraina View Post
    I am curious whether winning the SA is more predictive than another GP, say SC or TEB...
    Here are the Skate Canada winners.

    Men

    1995-96 Urmanov (5th at Worlds)
    1996-97 Stojko (1st)
    1997-98 Stojko (2nd Olys)
    1998-99 Plushebko (2nd)
    1999-2000 Yagudin (1st)
    2000-01 Yagudin (2nd)
    2001-02 Yagudin (1st)
    2002-03 Honda (3rd)
    2003-04 Plushenko (1st)
    2004-05 Sandhu (7th)
    2005-06 Sandhu (5th)
    2006-07 Lambiel (3rd)
    2007-08 Joubert (2nd)

    Ladies

    1995-96 Kwan (1st)
    1996-97 Slutskaya (4th)
    1997-98 Kwan (1st)
    1998-99 Liashenko (8th)
    1999-2000 Kwan (1st)
    2000-01 Slutskaya (2nd)
    2001-02 Hughes (beating Slutskaya and Kwan) (1st Olympics)
    2002-03 Cohen (4th)
    2003-04 Cohen (2nd)
    2004-05 Phaneuf (20th )
    2005-06 Czisny (beating Rochette, Nakano and Kostner) (did not make U.S. Olympic or World team)
    2006-07 Rochette (10th)
    2007-08 Asada (1st)

    2008-09 Czisny (Worlds: top 6 )

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    It has seemed to me that recently Canada picks to be sure that its top skater in each event has a good chance at a medal--and hence to make the GPF, resulting in winners that are not always medallists at worlds.

    And it appears that's so, from your list. Interesting.
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