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I agree. I find V/M a bit boring. Did anyone see their new exh program for Festa on Ice. I think it was set to Beethoven, and what a dud. I thought it was quite mediocre, and felt too long.
Domnina, Shabalin moving to Linichuk
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I agree. I find V/M a bit boring. Did anyone see their new exh program for Festa on Ice. I think it was set to Beethoven, and what a dud. I thought it was quite mediocre, and felt too long.
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I think if the fans of B&A would stop putting all the blame on Tanith for their decline in Dance, and don't offer any suggestions for improving the Team, then this is what you get in the forums.
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I cannot imagine V/M being off the podium, but what's this about making amends for B/K? By the time Vancouver comes around, that would be 12 yrs ago, I don't think anyone really remembers anymore.
Well, they put two North American teams on the world podium in 2006 and 2007. Though its more likely they will put two European teams, cos seven out of the top ten dance teams in the world right now are European. And everyone in the top ten are all so good.
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Nobody said V&M were invincible its all the ice dance specialists who say that they have something special and could become one of the greats. B&A have been around for awhile now we pretty much know what to expect from them while V&M are on the ascendency.
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But don't we know what to expect fromV&M? More slow, boring, put-me-to-sleep music and empty choreography. They are so consistently overrated and overhyped and overscored, it is ridiculous.
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Evidently you did not see their free program when they won world juniors in 06, they are capable of changing pace and skate to any music.
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ugh. that program felt like an aerobics exercise. they skated that program without zero emotion whatsoever.
Actually, we don't know what to expect from B&A, now that they are with Linichuk. B/A's main problems had to do with line, extension, posture, etc. Now that they are with Linichuk, they are addressing these very issues. Some icenetwork articles have indicated that Linichuk is making them spend a ton of time on compulsory dances and stroking. If this is true, then we should be seeing a very, very different B/A this coming season.
I'd say we know what to expect from V/M, since they have stayed with Marina and Igor. I disagree with some other posters on this thread -- I don't think they are boring at all. In fact, their "ballet" exhibition for Festa on Ice is one of my favorites, because it shows just how well they are able to listen to and express music. However, I do think that Igor and Marina's choreography can get repetitive, and would love to see V/M work choreographically with someone else.
Does anyone think that Khokhlova and Novitskihave a pretty good chance of knocking someone off the podium -- maybe even moving ahead of Domnina and Shabulin as the number one Russian team?
I do.
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Well, they are more fun to watch. They are so different than all those Russian Dance Teams. But, I'll wait and see how this plays out.Does anyone think that Khokhlova and Novitski
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Quote: Some icenetwork articles have indicated that Linichuk is making them spend a ton of time on compulsory dances and stroking. If this is true, then we should be seeing a very, very different B/A this coming season.
:thumbsup: I really hope to see improvements in these areas! I love watching B/A and respect them for trying different music/styles. Put good programs together with better basics and hopefully they will restart some momentum!
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I'd say we know what to expect from V/M, since they have stayed with Marina and Igor. ... However, I do think that Igor and Marina's choreography can get repetitive, and would love to see V/M work choreographically with someone else
:thumbsup: I really hope to see improvements in these areas! I love watching B/A and respect them for trying different music/styles. Put good programs together with better basics and hopefully they will restart some momentum!
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I'd say we know what to expect from V/M, since they have stayed with Marina and Igor. ... However, I do think that Igor and Marina's choreography can get repetitive, and would love to see V/M work choreographically with someone else
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Does anyone think that Khokhlova and Novitski
I suspect that Domnina and Shabalin are worrying about Khokhlova and Novitski. Otherwise, I don't see what would have motivated them to leave Gorshkov for Linichuk. It must be sobering to D&S to reflect that K&N have won a medal at worlds when D&S never have.
Furthermore, V&M, who were World Jr. champions after D&S (2006), have already won world medals and B&A who were World Jr champions the year before D&S (D&S were world jr champs in 2003, B&A in 2002) have both an Olympic and some world medals.
Of course, they have had injuries and tragedies, but apparently they think that they need a change. I wonder whether the Russian federation directed this change. Up until K&N got their bronze at worlds, D&S have been thought to be Russia's best chance for a medal at the 2010 Olympics.
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Yeah, I didn't care for that program at all.
Does anyone know if B&A and Dom/Shabs actually train AT THE SAME TIME?
One way of handling the potential for tension between rival athletes is to have them train at different times of the day. Of course, going head to head every morning seems like a lot more "fun"
One way of handling the potential for tension between rival athletes is to have them train at different times of the day. Of course, going head to head every morning seems like a lot more "fun"
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I definitely don't. K/N are just one team that I can't figure out why they get the marks they do. I'm not going to hate on them, I just simply don't like them or their skating and I am reminded of my days of watching FP-M and trying to figure out just how the heck they ever ended up on the podium. Still boggles my mind.Does anyone think that Khokhlova and Novitski
I'm not a huge fan of D/S, either, but I at least think their skating skills are better than K/N. Be interesting to see what happens this season.
Not liking all the V/M bashing going on. What a shame. Funny how folks can't really fault their skating skills so they resort to labeling them as "boring".
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Why is it bashing just because it is a team you happen to like? A skater can have the greatest skills in the world, but if they skate to snoozers like Valse Triste and Umbrellas, it is BORING! And slow. And empty. IMHO there was nothing appealing about either of those programs. What does it matter to you? It is an opinion. I'm not bashing anyone, I'm not hating on anyone, I'm simply expressing an opinion that I find V&M to be dull. Big deal. I'm not saying they are crappy skaters, I'm not saying they were "gifted" at Worlds with the silver medal, I'm just saying that their style is not my cup of tea.
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Besides, tapdancer, it wasn't bashing, it was an honest opinion. I apologize for not choosing a more specific term other than 'boring', but in many ways still, I feel like it's still the most apt term for what I've been feeling about them. When I saw the Beethoven number this summer, it just dawned on me that they have yet to try something radically different from their slow, romantic style, and there was a certain "sameness" to this team that I was beginning to dislike .Sorry I sounded a bit harsh, but I really did mean it, and I have a feeling a lot of former fans (plus current fans) may be beginning to feel similarly as well.
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Sorry for the "bashing" comment, AwesomeIce and cassieandcheetah, guess I just overreacted. I do like V/M and I'm concerned because I have been reading posts here and over at FSU that folks are starting to feel V/M are overrated. I do think the hype is over the top, I can only hope that V/M aren't letting it overwhelm them.
And after thinking it over, they do need to try and broaden their horizons, you guys are right that the romantic programs will only take them so far. I'm not so sure that winning the silver medal in only your second Worlds is necessarily a good thing. Not saying either that they didn't deserve it but still. It's a worry.
But, I do like that ice dance has become much more exciting, I've watched it for 20 years and I never enjoyed the "wait your turn". It's nice that genuine talent is rewarded.
Now, if only we could do something about the politics...
And after thinking it over, they do need to try and broaden their horizons, you guys are right that the romantic programs will only take them so far. I'm not so sure that winning the silver medal in only your second Worlds is necessarily a good thing. Not saying either that they didn't deserve it but still. It's a worry.
But, I do like that ice dance has become much more exciting, I've watched it for 20 years and I never enjoyed the "wait your turn". It's nice that genuine talent is rewarded.
Now, if only we could do something about the politics...
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The hype is not over the top V&M are the youngest world junior champs in history, the youngest team ever to medal at worlds winning the FS at worlds when you are 18 and 20 is not nothing. As to those who say they are boring i couldn't disagree more they bring to ice dancing what it should be and none of the over the top theatrics we have seen in the past from teams.
