I think they should designate one randomly selected judge as the "substitute" at the start of each event and the one so designated would remain the same for all the competitors in that event. That would keep the same judges judging all skaters.
I believe the original plan called for somehow combining OD an CD - a segment that's more rigid than the current OD, but more flexible than the CD.
The GoEs are not written in stone. They are subjective scores and have a powerful influence on the PCS scores. None of these new amendments have relevance to any real change but to affirm the right of the Technical Panel and the Countries which have skaters involved in the discipline. In fact they made it worse. Now the Tech Panels will judge the error as to whether it was a big error or a baby error. It's like saying on a test that 6+6=11, not correct but close enough to get some credit.
The question of underrotations since many GS posters disagree with the call, should have Instant Replay for the in-house and TV audiences. Other sports have it, why not figure skating. This would keep not only the Tech Panel sharp but be a god-send to the skater when taped. Also there would be less disagreements on the Boards.
The penalites for such errors when you think of them as attacking the name of a jump (flutz and Lip) and the ever popular underotations are so disparaging.
To me if one judges the SP and another judges the LP then it implies that all judges are equal. Looking at protocols, I do not think so.
Originally Posted by chuckm
Not quite fair to single out Azerbaijan. They sent only one man and one dance team to Worlds, and the dance team IS world class (even though neither partner has ever set foot in AZE).
I realize that facts can "get in the way" of a good story line. But Fraser & Lukanin went on a state-sponsored trip post-2006 Olympics. Then this year they performed in Azerbaijian for the first time in Averbukh's ice show, which was basically arranged by the Azerbaijain skating federation. So they have both been twice now.... not exactly living there, knowing the language, etc., but nevertheless facts are facts. They've been there. Twice.
Then where are Fraser & Lukanin originally from then? all I know is that they train in New Jersey with Morozov.
Here is a nice article about them from the Golden Skate archives.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with having 9 out of 10 judges working the SP and a different 9 out of 10 doing the SP. The way it is now, out of the 12 judges in the SP (9 of them count), four are eliminated for the LP and replaced by four different judges. Then there is a separate draw among the new twelve as to which 9 will count.
I don't mind mixing things up between the SP and and LP, but the whole random draw is foolish, to me. I like the Russian plan better than the current draw of 9 out of 12.
From a statistical point of view, best would be to have all 12 judges' votes count, trimming the highest and lowest. If a judge gets sick in the middle of the contest, go with the remaining 11. Under ordinal judging you needed an odd number of judges to avoid ties, but that is not a factor in add-up-the-points judging.
About GOEs being subjective, to me that's the nature of judging. That's way we have judges in the first place, to offer their judgment about whether the skater gave a good performance or not. IMHO this applies equally well to judgments about individual elements and to judgments about the program as a whole.
I do not see what the sport thinks it gains by trying to replace judges with a computer.
Exactly. It's primarily a qualitative sport, so it has to be measured at least in part by qualitative judgments.About GOEs being subjective, to me that's the nature of judging. That's way we have judges in the first place, to offer their judgment about whether the skater gave a good performance or not. IMHO this applies equally well to judgments about individual elements and to judgments about the program as a whole.
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