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    Nobunari Oda - Tosca:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exr6MdxRCjM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8JaN5PlcM4 <-- has a HQ version
    [+ message to fans, + interview]
    Mesmerizing program... But the commentators were beyond annoying! They talked so loud that I couldn't even hear the music, so frustrating! I hope there will be a commentary-less version available sometime later...
    Last edited by inskate; 06-29-2008 at 04:10 PM.

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    So nice to see this guy back in the saddle. He was and still is an excellent skater. What he needed was stamina. I think he has that now.

    However, I am opposed to Morozov's arms. I don't like to see them moving to high heaven with every step of the program. The music doesn't call for it. There is so much one can do with arms, wrists, hands, fingers, and I think Morozov choses a sweeping half cirular upwards. There should be more for this talented skater. If you watched Mao's with TT, the arms vary with the music.

    I suppose there are extra CoP GoEs with wild arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    So nice to see this guy back in the saddle. He was and still is an excellent skater. What he needed was stamina. I think he has that now.

    However, I am opposed to Morozov's arms. I don't like to see them moving to high heaven with every step of the program. The music doesn't call for it. There is so much one can do with arms, wrists, hands, fingers, and I think Morozov choses a sweeping half cirular upwards. There should be more for this talented skater. If you watched Mao's with TT, the arms vary with the music.

    I suppose there are extra CoP GoEs with wild arms.
    See I didn't feel that with that program. I wasn't that into Mao's program I felt she didn't have attitude for the Tango/Tango part of the music. ESPECIALLY in the arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    So nice to see this guy back in the saddle. He was and still is an excellent skater. What he needed was stamina. I think he has that now.

    However, I am opposed to Morozov's arms. I don't like to see them moving to high heaven with every step of the program. The music doesn't call for it. There is so much one can do with arms, wrists, hands, fingers, and I think Morozov choses a sweeping half cirular upwards. There should be more for this talented skater. If you watched Mao's with TT, the arms vary with the music.

    I suppose there are extra CoP GoEs with wild arms.
    I agree 100%,

    eta: Mao's Tango was fantastic. Bravo!!. Mature, sexy and a great costume. Mao has grown from a young girl in a ponytail to a very lovely young woman. IMO This program is a great transition for her..Thanks so much for the links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    See I didn't feel that with that program. I wasn't that into Mao's program I felt she didn't have attitude for the Tango/Tango part of the music. ESPECIALLY in the arms.
    I agree with you. I hoped she expressed her music more well, especially in the EXHIBITION. You don't have any rules you must follow there. I felt it is like a SP. too many things stuffed...
    Enjoyable to watch her footsteps from TT, though...

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    disappointed in Mao's program. It's lacking originality. She's quickly becoming a generic 'pretty' skater... Going to TT is a bad decision. TT always passes out overused & outdated music pieces, which frankly just shows her laziness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiercemao View Post
    disappointed in Mao's program. It's lacking originality. She's quickly becoming a generic 'pretty' skater... Going to TT is a bad decision. TT always passes out overused & outdated music pieces, which frankly just shows her laziness.
    Hmm I thought Mao's program was the most original among other ladies.
    Would you care to explain which part of her program is "generic"? Mao's program brings always something "new" as opposed to other "same old" performances.

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    Not as great as TT but KM (Kenji Miyamoto) did a fantastic job on Daisuke's SP choreo as well.
    KM choreographed Dai's last season EX "Bachelorette" which I also think is a masterpiece.

    Daisuke Takahashi "Eye"
    http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=p4bhHxOdYbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by qoo View Post
    Hmm I thought Mao's program was the most original among other ladies.
    Would you care to explain which part of her program is "generic"? Mao's program brings always something "new" as opposed to other "same old" performances.
    I think what she's trying to say is that Mao's choreography and skating to the tango music didn't look like she was skating to a tango except for the step sequences in the last ten - fifteen seconds of the program. She could have skated that to So Deep is the Night and nobody would know the difference. She's beautiful to watch IN THE SAME WAY ALL THE TIME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fourclover View Post
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    She could have skated that to So Deep is the Night and nobody would know the difference. She's beautiful to watch IN THE SAME WAY ALL THE TIME.
    Really, I disagree. I noticed a big difference. especially in her facial expressions and her connection to the music. Mao has been criticized in the past for both and IMO TT has addressed both, at least with this program. I think that Mao's Tango will only get better and will become a favorite of the crowd and of her fans..

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    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    Really, I disagree. I noticed a big difference. especially in her facial expressions and her connection to the music. Mao has been criticized in the past for both and IMO TT has addressed both, at least with this program. I think that Mao's Tango will only get better and will become a favorite of the crowd and of her fans..
    ITA!!
    well, I've been lurking around here for a long time just enjoying reading everybody's posts since my English is not good enough to fully express myself, but just wanted to say this...

    In her recent interviews when asked what her goals were for the new season, Mao has repeatedly said that she wanted to explore something new, to interpret music better, and yes, to improve her facial expressions. ( She even said that she would look at her face in the mirror everyday to work on them. ) Even when those nasty ( or impatient ) Japanese reporters kinda tried to force a "model answer" out of her ( they just want to hear her say "back-to-back titles at worlds" as her goals b/c it's catchy and a lot easier to understand, at least for casual fans ), she often said like " well, winning is of course important, but I want to keep on improving, and I want the audience to enjoy my performances."

    And I, too, noticed a big difference in this program, connection with the music and the audience... and more than anything, a true joy in the performance.
    Of course this is an exhibition and it should be a lot harder to do the same in the competitions, but I think Mao is on the right track, she sure knows what to work on... Really, I can't help but admire her hunger for improvement,,, I'm a high school teacher in Tokyo but she's probably the hardest-working 17 year-old I know!!

    As for her interpretation of tango music in particular, I don't know... I'm not an expert and of course each has his own opinion, but I for one thought she really felt the music...

    Well, I really like Yu-na's Tango SP and I've seen her performance @Tokyo Worlds for like 300 times, so I couldn't help comparing the two when I first saw Mao's program; and at first, while I loved it and got so excited at the toe steps and all, I kinda felt something was missing. But as I watched Mao's program over and over, I found myself falling in love with it more and more. I like Mao's tango program in a totally different way from I like Yu-na's... Yu-na's was really dynamic and dramatic, with lots of sharp, crisp(?) movements while Mao's is more like fluid, womanly Tango... Hmm, I can't explain well, but Mao's program actually reminded me of the Tango scene from the movie "Scent of Woman", rather than typical dynamic tango dancers... JMO.

    Anyways, it was the first exhibition for her and I'm looking forward to how she will absorb the program and make it her own!!

    sorry for the long post and my poor English...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yukster View Post
    ITA!!
    well, I've been lurking around here for a long time just enjoying reading everybody's posts since my English is not good enough to fully express myself, but just wanted to say this...


    sorry for the long post and my poor English...
    You do not have poor English at all, you expressed yourself as when as an native english speaker on the board

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    I don't think it necessary to compare two skater's tango, they both have an appropriate style and the least flavor of tango, usually interpreted in a dramatic way in single skaters' program IMHO, I don't know much about tango but I always thought tango as a dance has some sort of obscenity and really, we can't require that from 17-year-old young ladies. They are not professional dancers and to me, little attitude and drama just do fine. I think Mao's tango is very fresh and new look for her and I felt like she wants to a real LADY!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb View Post
    You do not have poor English at all, you expressed yourself as when as an native english speaker on the board

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    Thank you!!
    Well, maybe I should have more confidence in myself, just as I always tell my students to... ( Japanese people tend to be afraid of making mistakes when speaking English... ) Yeah, just like Mao has recently noticed(??), there are alot more important things than being "perfect"....

    As for Yuna's and Mao's tangos, I completely agree with BelleFilleYuna!!
    I didn't mean to provoke another war btw. Yu-na and Mao fans or anything, ( I'm pretty sick of the meaningless bad-mouths by some fans on youtube ); and you can't really compare a competition program to an exhibition. After all, I love both of them b/c they have their own different styles!

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