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Thread: Fedor Andreev might not be competing next season :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by all that View Post
    Did Johnny (or anyone else for that matter) ever say why Johnny wasn't a guest star? Perhaps the spot was offered, but Johnny couldn't do it for other reasons.
    At the risk of continuing to talk about Johnny on a thread that isn't supposed to be about him, I will answer a direct question about him:

    Yes, he did say why he wasn't a guest star. Johnny was asked by a reporter at his pre-Worlds press conference that was audiocast on icenetwork if he would be appearing on the Stars on Ice tour with Evan, and he replied that he could not because SOI did not invite him.
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    I have nothing new to add to this thread, but the topic is about Fedor. Can we keep it that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by libby View Post
    No, the poll (done by Stars on Ice themselves, on their official web site) was for who should be the guest stars on the 2008 SOI tour from among the eligible skaters, after the competitive season had ended. The guest stars had not yet been chosen when the poll was done.
    The guest stars were already chosen in time of that poll. It was not for the purpose which eligible skaters to be invited for the 2008 tour. There was a long discussion on SOI forum about the matter, LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by libby View Post
    Johnny was asked by a reporter at his pre-Worlds press conference that was audiocast on icenetwork if he would be appearing on the Stars on Ice tour with Evan, and he replied that he could not because SOI did not invite him.
    Wasn´t Weir actually scheduled to skate in Russia (or in some other foreign country) after the Worlds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by all that View Post
    Well, if he could show that he has a huge fan base, maybe that would work. All the promoters care about are ticket sales, anyway. Have you started a fan club for him or anything? Maybe you could help him show the people who run things like CSOI that he's worth hiring.
    I don't know the first thing about running a fan club, but if that's what's needed to convince those bigwigs that Fedor should be added to the CSOI cast, I'll do it (however mangled the end result may be)!

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    Fedor is a great talent. Would be exciting to see the charisma and athletic abilities pulled together. Would think such a unique timing of opportunities - Worlds in LA, Olympics in Canada - hopefully he'll feel compelled...
    I've always felt that Fedor deserved to be the Canadian champion in 2003 and that he should've represented Canada at that year's Worlds. It makes me sad that a wonderful skater like him never got the chance to do so. Now that Canada 3 spots for the 2009 Worlds (and conceivably we might have 3 for 2010 Olympics), I hope he realizes that a podium finish at next year's Nats is within his reach if he's willing fix his shortcomings.

    Just a thought: would Fedor be permitted to perform at this year's Skate Canada International gala because he's from Ottawa, or is the exhibition reserved solely for the competitors? I have a feeling he might show up at the competition to support the special lady in his life, and if he's going to be there, well, why not skate an entertaining program in front of his hometown audience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siberia82 View Post
    Just a thought: would Fedor be permitted to perform at this year's Skate Canada International gala because he's from Ottawa, or is the exhibition reserved solely for the competitors?
    Only competitors can skate in the gala.

    There was a big whoop-de-do about this at Skate America in 1998. Todd Eldredge had won the previous four Skate Americas and was the reigning U.S. Champion. Michelle Kwan had won the previous three Skate Americas and was the reigning U.S. champion for ladies. They both decided to sit out the fall 1998 Skate America to take some time off after the Olympics.

    This sent the organizers of Skate America into a tizzy. They thought no one would come to see the show without the two big stars. To save the show, both Michelle and Todd agreed to skate in the exhibition (it was in Detroit and Todd lived nearby.)

    But the ISU would have none of it -- you play by the ISU rules or you don't play at all.

    BTW, the winners were Yagudin and Butryskaya.
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    Even more sadly, ISU would not allow the Protopopovs skate at the 2005 Cup of Russia gala. Nor, for that matter, did they allow them to skate in the gala when Europeans were held in Switzerland in 2002; in fact, at that point the Protopopovs even considered skating in the competition - but the ISU said no, that they had their chance to re-instate eligibility in 1994, they didn't do that, and there was no way they could skate in the ISU sponsored event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    The guest stars were already chosen in time of that poll. It was not for the purpose which eligible skaters to be invited for the 2008 tour. There was a long discussion on SOI forum about the matter, LOL.
    Again, the SOI online poll was done before SOI announced their 2008 guest stars. The poll itself simply asked "Who should guest star on the SOI tour?" It did not say "Who should guest star next year, in 2009?" Furthermore, Lysacek and Meissner had both said in just the week or two before the announcement that their touring plans post-Worlds had not yet been made, so apparently they had not been invited on the tour yet at that time. So it appears that you are incorrect, and the poll was in fact for the 2008 tour, but was disregarded by SOI. After Weir won by a landslide, SOI removed the poll from their website, and some people tried to excuse the fact that they had disregarded fans' wishes by claiming the poll was probably never intended to be about the 2008 tour, but there is simply no evidence at all to back that up, and it does not even really make sense, considering all of the timing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Wasn´t Weir actually scheduled to skate in Russia (or in some other foreign country) after the Worlds?
    Well, I'm gonna get yelled at again for responding to this, but as long as you keep directly asking the questions, I guess I'll keep answering them. The answer is no, Johnny was not scheduled to skate in Russia or any other foreign country right after Worlds last year. He did no touring during the time that Stars on Ice had their guest stars and was finishing up their tour. He made it clear in his response during the pre-Worlds teleconference that the only reason he was not doing SOI was because he was not invited.

    It does seem to me that this thread should really stick to Fedor. I'm not really keen on talking about Johnny on a non-Johnny thread, so if people would stop asking direct questions about him, I would be happy to stop responding to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Only competitors can skate in the gala.
    Oh phooey. *sighs*
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    Quote Originally Posted by libby View Post
    Again, the SOI online poll was done before SOI announced their 2008 guest stars. The poll itself simply asked "Who should guest star on the SOI tour?" It did not say "Who should guest star next year, in 2009?"
    Well, neither did the poll say "who shall guest star on SOI 2008 tour", as far as I remember.... I don´t remember the exact date that poll started, but this seems to have appeared pretty soon after the US Nationals

    http://www.figureskatersonline.com/e...acek/news.html

    "February 21, 2008

    Fresh off winning his second consecutive U.S. Championship, Evan will join the Emmy award-winning Smucker’s Stars on Ice tour for its final 11 shows, beginning March 27 in Cleveland, Ohio.

    The two-time World Championship bronze medalist joins Stars on Ice following the 2008 World Championships, March 17-23 in Gothenburg, Sweden. Evan will skate in shows in Connecticut, Ohio, Massachuttes, Maine New Hampshire, New York and Pennsylvania."

    The above means that the official decision about Lysacek in SOI was made before the above info was posted on his official website. My guess is that he got the invitation based on being a two-time World bronze medalist and the current US champion. Another matter is which US male skater will be invited for next spring.

    Sorry, about the off-topic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by siberia82 View Post
    I don't know the first thing about running a fan club, but if that's what's needed to convince those bigwigs that Fedor should be added to the CSOI cast, I'll do it (however mangled the end result may be)!

    If you become the person who runs his official fan club, I'd think you'd also get the opportunity to meet him once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Well, neither did the poll say "who shall guest star on SOI 2008 tour", as far as I remember.... I don´t remember the exact date that poll started, but this seems to have appeared pretty soon after the US Nationals

    http://www.figureskatersonline.com/e...acek/news.html

    "February 21, 2008

    Fresh off winning his second consecutive U.S. Championship, Evan will join the Emmy award-winning Smucker’s Stars on Ice tour for its final 11 shows, beginning March 27 in Cleveland, Ohio.

    The two-time World Championship bronze medalist joins Stars on Ice following the 2008 World Championships, March 17-23 in Gothenburg, Sweden. Evan will skate in shows in Connecticut, Ohio, Massachuttes, Maine New Hampshire, New York and Pennsylvania."

    The above means that the official decision about Lysacek in SOI was made before the above info was posted on his official website. My guess is that he got the invitation based on being a two-time World bronze medalist and the current US champion. Another matter is which US male skater will be invited for next spring.

    Sorry, about the off-topic...
    The SOI poll was put up on the SOI Official Site on February 12, 2008 and taken down one week later, on February 19, 2008. Johnny Weir won by an overwhelming majority of 80% of the vote. SOI announced their 2008 guest stars (Evan Lysacek and Kimmie Meissner) two days later, February 21, and made no mention of their poll at that time or since. They added Tanith Belbin and Benjamin Agosto as guest stars the next week.

    There are simply no facts at all to back up the allegation that the poll was taken to determine who the guest stars should be on the tour more than a year later. Neither SOI or any other tour contracts skaters a year in advance (due to scheduling and other concerns such as injuries and fluctuating status, skaters are generally booked for tours very close to when the tours actually begin). There is no reason that SOI would have been asking fans to vote on who they should book in over a year, not knowing who would be available or at the top of their game then.

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    And this has what to do with Fedor?

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    And what exactly did you have to say about Fedor, Icd, to add to the conversation and get it back on topic?

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    This is probably a futile attempt to get the topic back on track, but I thought I'd share these never-before-seen vids of Fedor. My free screen capture software automatically stops recording after 5 minutes, which is why I had to split it into two pieces.

    His 2000 Skate Canada International SP :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lAFVhuBG3k

    His (ludicrously low) marks :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRePJULycqs

    I recently met a figure skating pal who remembers reading an article about Fedor, but she can't remember the title of the magazine. This is her vague description, and I hope someone can help me identify it.

    "The interview was from a skating magazine right after nationals.....the ones right on the rack....I think it was the canadian one... It was a big article on what he was doing outside of skating and had a pic of him and his mom...a nice one....and I swear I read that he hoped for an international assignment...maybe nebelhorn."
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    Not sure about the other B-event rosters, but the two Canadian men for Nebelhorn are Jeremy Ten and Joey Russell.

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