A possible solution to underrotations?

antmanb said:

Sorry but the point of the clips in the youtube video are about UNDER rotation on the landing not pre-rotation on the take off. Kim has perfect text book technique on the take off of the toe loop - there is no pre-rotation on the toe pick on take off and the leg comes through exactly as it should.

Ant

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Bethieisawesome was responding to my statement since someone said there is no allowable pre-rotatation on the toe loop or else it's a toe Axel and I explained the difference in take off methods and what is allowable. She showed what an acceptable "pre-rotation" on the toe loop is with the video. I was responding to mathman's comment and it's about six posts back...

bethissoawesome said:

This is a good video to demonstrate how Yuna pre-rotates on the ice for her toe loop (by method mentioned above) but is still given positive GOE's...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90bKBt4k26Y

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Thanks for the clip. I really can't say the toeloop was underrotated according to the 45% rule. I really have to rely on the judges' decisions.

It was a combo, so maybe the first part was perceived as + GoEs.

Joesitz said:

Thanks for the clip. I really can't say the toeloop was underrotated according to the 45% rule. I really have to rely on the judges' decisions.

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Indeed.

OT but I'm really sorry that there are some youtube users trying to besmirch Yuna's reputation. If they want to talk about under-rotation, fine. But dragging Yuna into that? Seriously?
Come on. There are so many obvious example of under-rotation out there (but I won't name any because I don't want to hurt their fans' feelings.)
I even saw someone posted Yuna's taking off moment as if it's her landing moment and ironically it proves she doesn't do either pre-rotation nor under-rotation.
Why do they do that?? They want to get even because the one they are rooting for has some technical flaws or what?? So juvenile.

I think I was a bit emotional on my post above. I was just a bit annoyed by some youtube users nowadays. Sorry.

I honestly doubt if the sensor on boots is applicable but I like the idea.
I read all posts on this thread and suddenly came to wonder what if a skater attempted a triple jump with terrible under-rotation and landed with severe over-rotation after around 2 and a half airturns. How is it going to be marked? Is it going to be dinged both for under-rotation and over-rotation? Or is it going to be ratified as a triple jump?

gourry said:

I think I was a bit emotional on my post above. I was just a bit annoyed by some youtube users nowadays. Sorry.

I honestly doubt if the sensor on boots is applicable but I like the idea.
I read all posts on this thread and suddenly came to wonder what if a skater attempted a triple jump with terrible under-rotation and landed with severe over-rotation after around 2 and a half airturns. How is it going to be marked? Is it going to be dinged both for under-rotation and over-rotation? Or is it going to be ratified as a triple jump?

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Watch Lambiel and his notorious 3A next season. He often overrotates it causing him to land on his heel. Landing on the heel will cause a skater to fall back.

gourry said:

I read all posts on this thread and suddenly came to wonder what if a skater attempted a triple jump with terrible under-rotation and landed with severe over-rotation after around 2 and a half airturns. How is it going to be marked? Is it going to be dinged both for under-rotation and over-rotation? Or is it going to be ratified as a triple jump?

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It appears inthe judges protocols as, for instance, 3T<. The "<" means that, for scoring purposes, it has been downgraded to double. So it gets the same base score as a 2T. But it counts as a 3T for purposes of applying the Zayak rule.

As far as I know there is not a specific deduction for overrotation, but -- as Joe points out with respect to the triple Axel -- if a jump is overrotated there will automatically be problems on the landing which will result in a negative GOE on top of the downgrade.