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    So happy for Shawn Johnson. She really deserved to come away with a gold medal at these olympics and finally justice was done on the balance beam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n*ice mom View Post
    Does anyone know where I can find a list of the floor exercise music for each Olympic competitor?
    In the FIG main site there's a section with the gymnasts biographies. Most of them have their musics listed, but sometimes it is from previous years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    The procedure for tie breaking is absolutely crazy nuts-one of the tie breakers is averaging the 3 lowest judges, which overvalues the very lowest judge, allowing a great opening for corruption (not that this happened here. This is just a really dumb tie breaker. You shouldn't want to overvalue either the highest or the lowest score in a tie breaker, I would think.
    I did find it kind of weird, but at least it beats giving out two golds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delray1977 View Post
    Oh please, Michelle Malkin. Her retoric tends to grate on my nerves. The fact that she uses such an offensive term like ChiCom through out the article just kills her credibility here. My advice to Malkin, Bella and Martha and anyone else: just let like it go, our team was obviously not at their best that night. winning the silver metal is nothing to be upset about. We should be proud of our team, they did the best they could. Actually Pavlova was very good but I thought it was Semonova who should have won the bronze, yes, I agree that the chinese were overscored on the beam. The score that Liukin recieved on her vault was atrocious.
    Semonova should not have won bronze. The Chinese girl won the bronze quite fairly.

    Semenova was hurt because she only did a Y1.5 and she had only a 5.8 A score on floor. The Chinese girl did a DTY with beautiful form, and had a 6.2 A score on floor. Semenova's low start values killed her. She rightfully scored higher than Yang, on beam, but Yang out scored her rightfully on every other apparatus.

    Plus Yang wasn't that overscored on beam. She lost a whole point on her B score.. Yang has lovely extension/lines and technique. Everything else except for her wobbles/some connections was spot on. She has amazing technique on things like her twists etc which eliminate other deductions. How much would you take for a wobble? normally it's about a tenth. 15.7 out of a 6.7 A score may have been a bit high, but it shouldn't have been that much lower than a tenth or two.

    The point is though without the wobbles, Yang would probably be scoring 16 plus on beam because she's so gorgeous on the event and has such lovely extension and lines. Yang did lose quiet a few points on beam for her wobbles.

    The point? Yang beat Ksensia by seven tenths. Your not going to seriously argue that Yang deserved to lose 1.7 points on her beam routine because she wobbled a few times? Cheng Fei and Alicia didn't get that for FALLING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    So happy for Shawn Johnson. She really deserved to come away with a gold medal at these olympics and finally justice was done on the balance beam.
    I feel like both Nastia and Shawn walked away with what they came for. I was so happy for Shawn who was really judged pretty hard at these olympics. And lets not forget about Horton. He rocked the high bar! What a way to end the Olympics!!!

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    Congrats to the ladies of Team USA, especially to Nastia and Shawn. Also, Congrats to the ladies of Team China. Great competition between two teams who showed us excellence, grace, good sportsmanship and perseverance under pressure. WOW!!.

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    Too bad Anna Pavlova had a horrible time. She is so much better than how she performed.

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    Here is where I’m forced to show my ignorance of even the basic aspects of the sport.

    Listening to all the talk of how Alicia was like a mentor / advisor / older sister to the other American girls, I was under the impression that these girls were some kind of a “team”, like a baseball team or a hockey team. But I’ve been doing a little reading, and it seems like that’s not the case. It seems like the best 6 girls in the United States were assembled just for the Olympics. They are not really part of a permanent "team". Is this correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    Here is where I’m forced to show my ignorance of even the basic aspects of the sport.

    Listening to all the talk of how Alicia was like a mentor / advisor / older sister to the other American girls, I was under the impression that these girls were some kind of a “team”, like a baseball team or a hockey team. But I’ve been doing a little reading, and it seems like that’s not the case. It seems like the best 6 girls in the United States were assembled just for the Olympics. They are not really part of a permanent "team". Is this correct?
    Yes, I think so.

    It's like when the U.S. sent the "team" of Kimmie, Ashley and Bebe to Worlds last year.

    But I think they do have some training sessions together before the Olys. They are more "team-like" than in figure skating because different gymnasts are selected to go on different aparatuses, and they can win a team medal by adding up the scores of all the girls. So one girl might be chosen for the team because she is an expert on, say, the vault, even though that might mean leaving a better all around girl off the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    Here is where I’m forced to show my ignorance of even the basic aspects of the sport.

    Listening to all the talk of how Alicia was like a mentor / advisor / older sister to the other American girls, I was under the impression that these girls were some kind of a “team”, like a baseball team or a hockey team. But I’ve been doing a little reading, and it seems like that’s not the case. It seems like the best 6 girls in the United States were assembled just for the Olympics. They are not really part of a permanent "team". Is this correct?
    You are correct, they are not! And Figure Skating when they gathered up Teams for Sunday afternoons a few years back, they were different each Sunday. :sheesh:

    I think some Sports do not lend themselves to the Team spirit, although I believe there is one contest in golf that does take it seriously.

    My team, of course, is the NY Mets who I am super nervous about this time of the year. They tend to go into a losing streak in August. I've been to Shea a few times but the new one stadium (being built) is looking more and more like Camden Yards in Baltimore.

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    I had only seen Nastia in the 2007 Pan American games, where she was injured. Then I saw Shawn win the all-around at the 2007 Worlds. Then at the 2008 Nationals, I was surprised that Nastia had come back so strong to place 2nd in the all-around. At these Olympics, she was even better. Wow.

    I just read that Nastia was 2nd in the all-around at the 2005 Worlds and that she was actually tied in total points with the winner. She was 2nd due to rounding rather than tiebreakers. So I guess that everything that happened here wasn't a surprise for Nastia's fans.


    I wish that the Russian women had won a medal.


    My favorite tricks were:
    * Xiaopeng Li's release move on the parallel bars. He swung from the bar ends to 4/5ths of the way to the other end and landed with some sort of hand press.
    * Justin Spring's dismount from the high bar. He went so high and far that he landed at the edge of the matt.

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    Additional Medals for Figure Skating

    It's a little off topic but in line with comparison of the two Sports.

    Can you picture 10 top Lady Figure Skaters marching around and doing

    a. A Camel Spin

    b. A Lutz jump

    c. A Spiral

    d. A footwork sequence.

    Wouldn't that be a hoot.

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    There was a pro competition like this about 1976 or so. I have some video clips of it. They had the following events competed between 2 teams and it was called the World Challenge Cup. Janet Lynn, Toller Cranston, Starbuck and Shelley, Ken Shelley as a single skater and some other great oldtimers competed::

    A Team "Add On" competition (sort of like the basketball playground game "HORSE" on skates)

    Butterflies Competition

    Pairs Spin Competition

    Split Jump Competition
    You can download it here (Toller vs. Ken Shelley)
    http://www.mediafire.com/?emedxqw0gwy

    Fastest Spin

    Longest Spiral

    Throw Axel Competition

    Who can do the most double axels (Toller Cranston-he did 10 in a row)

    You can download Toller competing with Richard Ewell on the axels here:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?mjhmhwo20oz

    And Joe, you're right, it was a complete hoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    Here is where I’m forced to show my ignorance of even the basic aspects of the sport.

    Listening to all the talk of how Alicia was like a mentor / advisor / older sister to the other American girls, I was under the impression that these girls were some kind of a “team”, like a baseball team or a hockey team. But I’ve been doing a little reading, and it seems like that’s not the case. It seems like the best 6 girls in the United States were assembled just for the Olympics. They are not really part of a permanent "team". Is this correct?
    Actually, they are all part of the official national team for the United States so in that instance, they really are part of the same team. These six particular girls were chosen through the whole Trials process to represent the USA at the Olympics in Beijing. A lot of these girls have competed, trained, and gone to various camps together for the last four years (in addition to being on teams for Worlds and other competitions each year) so they might feel more like a team than other girls in the past.

    I'm so proud of the US girls for not only how they did in the competition (I'm especially happy for Nastia as I've been a fan of hers since she was the national junior champion) but also for how they handled themselves away from the competition. They were very well spoken, never let themselves be caught up in the age thing or any other drama NBC tried to steer them towards, and they were so supportive and encouraging towards each other through both the good times and the bad. They should all be EXTREMELY proud of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beep_beep View Post
    In the FIG main site there's a section with the gymnasts biographies. Most of them have their musics listed, but sometimes it is from previous years...
    There was a great routine by Kathy Johnson at the 1978 Strasbourg World Championships. It was a haunting Romantic Era sounding melody. I'm going batty trying to find the name of the piece and the composer.

    The routine is on YouTube. I have speculated that it could be any Romantic Era composer such as Saint-Saens, Schubert, Dvorak, Liszt, Chopin, Mendelssohn, Tchaikovsky or Americans Gottschalk and MacDowell.

    I've put this query on the IG website and they are as curious as I am. I'm hoping someone will know which composer Kathy Johnson used in 1978(great routine!!)

    Maybe Frank Carroll would know. He and his skaters have knack for polishing up unfamiliar marvels.

    Any help will be appreciated.

    P.S. It was great that Nastia Liukin was inspired by Sasha Cohen's "Dark Eyes" program.

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