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Triple Toe Walley
Okay, I thought that a triple toe walley is basically a different entrance for a toe loop (front outside three and a change to the landing foot rather than a plain front inside three on the landing foot).
But some people on another thread were claiming that some skaters take off from an inside edge from the landing foot and cited Elaine Zayak, I looked at a video or two and didn't see it by the time of takeoff she looks like she's on the standard RBO edge and the toe-walley is in fact a toe loop (why they were merged in the first place).
My problem is I totally don't understand how or why a skater would take off from an inside edge. I can imagine the change to the landing foot could use an inside edge but I can't understand how (or why) that could be maintained until take off (since all the physics of reaching back with the free leg would pull the skater over to the outside edge. In other words, it seems like trying to skate in a clockwise circle on a RFI edge, which is either impossible or awful technique.
Where am I going wrong?
Can someone point to a video of an unambiguous back inside take off?
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Here is one. On the first jump in the sequence, a single Walley, I think she did get a clear inside edge take-off. The second, a single toe Walley, I'm not so sure. It looks kind of on the flat to me.
A double toe Walley (much less a triple)? I think that's impossible (?) Like you say, the laws of physics and all that. (But then again, I don't see how anyone can do a Lutz jump.)
I once saw (on TV) Brian Orser do a supposed double toe Walley as part of a combination in a pro routine, and the commentators (I think it was Peggy Fleming and Dick Button) argued about what jump it really was.
Last edited by Mathman; 08-21-2008 at 10:36 AM.
In the early 90s, when a big football star was being interviewed at the end of the season, he was asked what will he be doing during the Summer. He replied, I'll be working on my Double Toe Wally. That got a all around.
The Wally and especially the Toe Wally were very popular jumps at one time.
Here' my comparison with the Toe Lutz.
A Lutz toes off from a back outside edge and counter rotates in the air and lands on a back outside edge of the toe off foot.
A Toe Wally toes off from a back inside edge and counter rotates in the air and lands on a back outside edge not of the toe off foot.
I think that's correct, at least that's the way I do it in my mind.
Both jumps in the clip above are walley not toe walleys.
Originally Posted by Mathman
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