Yagudin vs. Abt, 02 Euros

icenut84 · Aug 30, 2003

Who did you think deserved to win this one? For me, it was Abt all the way. Yagudin just made too many mistakes, and Abt skated beautifully and completely cleanly - I'd say it was probably the performance of his life. He also had a very musical programme, and is a very good skater technically, despite his inconsistencies (usually through injuries).

So who would you have given it to?

merfsk8s · Aug 30, 2003

I can't remember this comp at all. Sigh. Wish I had them all on tape.

Germanice · Aug 30, 2003

Hate to admit it: But THIS was Sasha's night; he should have won.

Anke

dewet · Aug 30, 2003

Abt deserved to win, Yags had to many mistakes.

curious · Aug 30, 2003

Poor Abt won the comp but they gave it to Yags. According to Yags press conference his bad performance was Plush's fault for not competiting there. Funny guy

Joesitz (RIP) · Aug 30, 2003

just another case of judges 'holding up' someone for whatever reason. there was no question about it. Abt won!

Joe

RealtorGal · Aug 31, 2003

Sasha, for sure. I just could not believe Yags won that competition with such a sub-par performance. I guess it goes to show you that there is biased judging even when skaters come from the same country--it's not just an "east vs. west" problem. :eek:

Pookie · Sep 2, 2003

I didn't get to see it, unfortunately

sk8guy2k2 · Sep 7, 2003

I recall that Yags had so many mistakes, but Abt just had a 2foot landing on one of his jumps. I would have given it to Abt, no doubt about it

icenut84 · Sep 7, 2003

sk8guy2k2 said:
I recall that Yags had so many mistakes, but Abt just had a 2foot landing on one of his jumps. I would have given it to Abt, no doubt about it

Robin Cousins (Brit commentator) thought that he might have touched down with his free toe on his first triple axel, but if he did it was so slight that you couldn't even tell for sure on the slow-mo replay. It wasn't a 2 footed jump, any way you look at it. Just clarifying.

aly*cutie · Sep 7, 2003

i didn't see it

Sadie · Sep 8, 2003

Geez, where was I during Euros?? How did I manage to miss it? Well, I usually enjoy Yagudin more than Abt, but since I didn't see what happened.....

RIskatingfan · Sep 8, 2003

Going against the majority here... I think Yagudin won rightly. Yes, he made mistakes and Abt skated a superb pogram, but you can't compare the difficulty between the two programs. A program isn't just jumps and I think Abt's program was easier and actually emptier in terms of content.

Many times the judges put a performance with flaws over a clean one and there are reasons behind that. Plushenko also skated pretty bad at Worlds and he still deserved to win, even though Goebel had probably one of the best skates of his life that night (at least to me).

IMHO.

shine · Sep 10, 2003

It was Abt all the way. This is another reason why the 6.0 system needs to go. The judges will have to base their marks on each individual element and can never get away with holding up certain skaters for "unknown" reasons.

windspirit · Sep 10, 2003

I already voted, but I didn't comment... I haven't seen it, so I don't know. From what I've read (here and on other boards; in the newspapers, etc.) I'd go with Abt, but I do know of a few people who first felt that Abt was robbed, but after reviewing the programs carefully they changed their minds.

Dee4707 · Sep 12, 2003

I voted haven't seen it. That is the one competition I don't have of Alexei. I know that many times on this board that same competitin has been brought up.

I like what RIskatingfan had to say about the competition. I think it might be on the same line as Campbell's last year between Weiss and Alexei.

Dee

berthes ghost · Sep 12, 2003

I saw it live.

The mistakes of Alexei weren't all that aparent Live, not like on TV where they harp on the mistakes and show 2 foot landing over and over again in close up and slo-mo. Yes, a flaw or two was evident, but over all it was an exciting and energetic program with interesting choreo that kept you on the edge of your seat.

Abt, though clean, was a big ole bore live. Nowhere near the excitement or intensity of Yags. It was more like, "oh, how nice for him that he could finally skate clean. Next."

It continuously amazes me that people would have placed him over Yags.

curious · Sep 12, 2003

I guess that's what happens when Plushy is not competiting with Alexei. It would have been a completely different story but Abt was better and like I said he deserved the gold.

Lisa · Sep 18, 2003

I totally agree with RIskatingfan, though, as far as I can tell, Abt skated at his best that evening, I've never seen him better.
If one just compares the two FS, there was a less impressive but clean program vs. a very impressive program with slight mistakes. So IMO both could have won. But a competition does not consist of FS only, there are the Sps too, and Yags Sp was ways better than Abts. No doubt about it.
As a result, I would have put Yags over Abt, too.

icenut84 · Sep 19, 2003

Lisa said:
But a competition does not consist of FS only, there are the Sps too, and Yags Sp was ways better than Abts. No doubt about it.
As a result, I would have put Yags over Abt, too.

But the other performances (qualifying and short) are not really a factor in this, as whoever of the two won the free would have won the gold, I believe.

Yagudin vs. Abt, 02 Euros

Who would you have crowned?

Alexei Yagudin

Alexander Abt

Don't know

I haven't seen it

icenut84

merfsk8s

Germanice

dewet

curious

Joesitz (RIP)

RealtorGal

Pookie

sk8guy2k2

icenut84

aly*cutie

Sadie

RIskatingfan

shine

windspirit

Dee4707

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berthes ghost

curious

Lisa

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