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    Moran Open -Rippon, Oda, Suguri and others

    Hello all,

    I just watched Adam and Oda compete at the Moran Open in New Jersey. For all the work he is doing with Morozov, Oda might've as well stayed in Japan. The short program was beyond boring. He fell on the triple axel, but the rest of his jumps had their usual beauty to it.

    Adam is more suited for the passionate Morozov choreography but he too failed at the triple axel. Adam will have a lot of pressure on him this year to perform well since his spectacular showing in Juniors this past season.

    On a different note: Ando and Fumie both withdrew from the competition (bummer). Elena from Georgia skated poorly, in fact she skated worse than last year.

    I will go back tonight and watch the long programs. I wish them all the best.

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    Just because both men missed thier axles does not mean their coach/chreographer change was a mistake. It is still early in the season and they probably were not fully prepared. Thanks for the update though, and let us know how they skate their LP's.

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    Weren't Oda's programs choreographed by Lori Nichol?

    Thanks for the info and waiting for LP report!

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    I don't understand why it's "disappointing" for a skater to have a rough skate in August when most of them have only had new programs since July and have only had 2-3 weeks of training. Athletes have to peak, you know. Why in the world would an athlete strive for perfection at a meaningless fluff competition which is supposed to serve as a debut dress rehearsal for their new programs? If these major mistakes were happening at Nationals, then I could understand the room for concern, but this is the very beginning of the new season for crying out loud.

    WTH?! @ some of the reactions I've seen from fans here.

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    For all the work he is doing with Morozov, Oda might've as well stayed in Japan.
    His choreography was done by Lori Nichol before he switched to Nikolai.

    I wouldn't expect too much from him performance-wise this season. If he barely manages to give an interview without having his voice shake, how is he expected to perform in an engaging way? At the time when he chose his music and had his programs created he was (and perhaps still is) under heavy mental trauma; losing weight, not being able to compete at Nationals and Japan Open though his Federation wanted to force him into doing so.
    I think it's difficult to expect caring for an engaging choreo from someone who is just struggling to go on.
    I'm not surprised his sparkle is gone. Perhaps he'll improve as the season goes on, thanks to fans' support, perhsps he'll never regain it. But I'm not disappointed in him. He has never disappointed me. Those who don't see how much he struggles to please everyone - have.

    As for Adam, I wouldn't worry too much. At the beginning of the previous season I thought his programs were plain bad, especially the spins, but he totally captivated me at Nationals.

    I wish them all the best.
    Somehow I doubt it.
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    Sounds like the show didn't meet your expectations, MasterB. Well, it's only August.
    For all the work he is doing with Morozov, Oda might've as well stayed in Japan. The short program was beyond boring.
    But Morozov didn't choreograph Oda's short, Lori Nichol did. There're people who love her choreo, she's a popular choreographer, therefore Nobunari's choice might be justified.

    Adam is more suited for the passionate Morozov choreography but he too failed at the triple axel. Adam will have a lot of pressure on him this year to perform well since his spectacular showing in Juniors this past season.
    Ah, 3A isn't everything. Take a look at this:
    http://www.isufs.org/results/wjc2008..._FS_Scores.pdf
    See how one can win a world title without one? But frankly, I don't expect Adam to excel in the upcoming season.
    On a different note: Ando and Fumie both withdrew from the competition (bummer).
    Oh too bad. I was wondering how Miki was doing.
    Elena from Georgia skated poorly, in fact she skated worse than last year.
    This is really heart breaking. I was hoping she'd find her pace.

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    I am especially sorry to hear that Elene Gedevanishvili is still skating so poorly. I had such high hopes for her after that very promising performance at the Olympics in Torino, but since moving to the US in early 2007, she just seems to have fallen apart.

    Maybe if she had stayed with Galina Zmievskaya she would be more consistent, but apparently they had a personality conflict and Elene left her after less than two months and moved over to Roman Serov. He doesn't seem to be having much success with her. I don't know if the problem is a lack of training, a coach who can't handle her, physical changes, an attitude issue, or maybe just that she is overwhelmed by culture shock - possibly all of the above. But what a shame for such an incredibly talented and promising skater to not live up to her potential at all.

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    It might also have to do with her home country recently being invaded. We can see if she does better later on the Grand Prix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissIzzy View Post
    It might also have to do with her home country recently being invaded. We can see if she does better later on the Grand Prix.
    Except that she skated so poorly all of last season, well before her country was invaded, so it appears that has little to do with it.

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    It's far too early to be judging programs at this point in the season. Lori has a way with lyrical type of skaters. Let's see the short in the GP. Oda has the Japan segment only. By then he should be showing his best. If Lori's choreography doesn't work he can easily switch to his exhibition of Tosca which was close to brilliant. The LP will interest me which will be the Morozov take over to make him come out swinging (those arms, I mean) like a boxer.

    I feel I discovered Adam at the 2006 Middle Atlantics. The lyricism was overwhelming and he has always had good technique on what he can do. I was not overwhelmed when Morozov got the arms going. I preferred the Russian guy. I think it was Borodulin. Not sure.

    Sorry to say, Gedevanishvili has never impressed me. I really do not believe she could podium in the Northeastern Regionals if she had US citizenshiip.

    Oda has had the 3A for some time now. Adam has not. Let's see.

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    Has Elene kept her SP from last season? I thought it was a great program and it was sad she didn't skate it clean. I was hoping she'd keep it another year.

    I read on FSU Miki and Fumie will skate in the LP. ETA: Sorry Miki will but no word about Fumie.

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    My biggest wish for Nobunari Oda is that he can exorcise the mental demons that have plagued him for a year. If he can put the past in the past this season, and just skate his heart out without distraction and self-doubts, that wil be his gold medal right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    My biggest wish for Nobunari Oda is that he can exorcise the mental demons that have plagued him for a year. If he can put the past in the past this season, and just skate his heart out without distraction and self-doubts, that wil be his gold medal right there.
    Beautifully put Mathman.

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    Well I was there for the LPs and I was certainly not disappointed by either skater. Oda landed a great 3A-3T combo off the top and a 3Z-3T late in his program, along with 2 or 3 other triples (the only mistake was a pop on his second 3A). Rippon fell on his 3A attempt (looked rotated though) and doubled a 3R, but other than that he was clean too. They both had nice spins with good speed and centering, and their flow and stroking is very smooth. For an early-season competition, they both did very well and I'm expecting both to have super seasons.

    Miki did not skate (she sat in the stands in the row above mine with the whole Japanese team) but Fumie did. She double-footed her first lutz and doubled the second (I think) and she fell on a triple, but she nailed both flips and had incredible speed and lightness. I think the move to Morozov is helping her, and she interprets the choreo very well (but why oh why did she have to pick Otonal?!)

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    Obviously, we all see things differently but I did not think Oda disappointed. IMO he looked more powerful and mature than ever before, especially in the free skate. His jumps, including a triple Axel-triple toe, were crisp, and his spins, especially a new sit-change-sit, were better than ever. I thought he was in near mid-season form.

    He is competing at Nebelhorn, then NHK, so he has plenty of time to work out any "kinks." As was noted here, Nichol choreographed these programs -- one last fall, one in Feb. -- so Oda has had time to work through them.

    Murakami, too, looked good, save for a few of his spins (and those issues are relatively easy to correct). His quad toe was strong and he rotated the triple Axel, although he fell, and landed six other triples in the free. He should do well at the JGP in Mexico. I think Morozov is doing a fine job with these two Japanese skaters.

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