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Thread: Moran Open -Rippon, Oda, Suguri and others

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    nylynnr, Congratulations on your first post.

    I hope you will post often!

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    Thanks for the report, nylynnr.

    Did Murakami use his hip-hop program, or rather some new programs? I saw a part of the hip-hop one in a Morozov documentary and I thought it looked good, but I never got to see the whole program.

    He is competing at Nebelhorn, then NHK, so he has plenty of time to work out any "kinks." As was noted here, Nichol choreographed these programs -- one last fall, one in Feb. -- so Oda has had time to work through them.
    Just to add - his choreo was changed in the late July/early August. Here is a message he posted at his fan site:
    Good evening!

    Nobunari here. I'm glad to write here again☆

    I arrived in Canada! I'm here to have my choreography readjusted by my Mrs.Lori Nichol!

    That aside, Canada is cool!!!! Today for the first time in awhile the weather is good, and the refreshing wind feels great~☆ (those who are in Japan now, forgive me!) The choreography adjustment is planned for next week, so now I'm just spending the weekend here.

    Speaking of which I got e-mails from people who read the interview at Icenetwork.com, when I read them I was in shock!!

    A quad in the SP......!!!??? I'll do it in the LP first, I was meaning to say, but it looks like I didn't transfer my thoughts properly...

    That's why please don't expect it! (smile)

    But of course, it goes without saying that I practice with all my power!!!!!!

    In October I'm scheduled to participate in the Nebelhorn Trophy, in August I have a local tournament in America. I'm both glad & nervous at the same time...

    I'll write again soon!

    Thank you all for your support as always.

    Nobunari, from TORONTO

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    Moran Open Again -Adam and Oda ACT II

    First off: I am sorry if I am posting this in the wrong section.

    After watching the short programs I was debating whether to see the long program. Well, I went and it was way better. The crowd was larger.

    Adam skated first, he landed everything clean with the exception of the triple axel and one missed triple loop. Please note that I will be harsh with the criticism because I view him as a top tier skater. I applaud his efforts at trying the axel because without a quad that jump will be key for him. The program was skated well overall but it lacks a certain spark during the footwork section. It just doesn't make you jump out of your seat, and I don't think that it ever will (I do hope I am wrong about this). If he skates the program this well he might be able to bump Carriere (I rather watch paint dry) out of that third spot. To secure that spot the triple axel needs to be landed clean.

    Oda - skated next and opened with a beautiful triple axel-triple toe combination. he landed just about everything else but missed the second triple axel. The program overall did not do anything for me, it was rather flat. He did have a nice plain skating outfit on. The best part of seeing him skate was watching Miki (yelling like a banchee) rooting for him.

    Fumie - to my delight she skated her long program. Her music was Otonal. She hit the first three triple jumps (lutz,slacow and flip). She popped the second lutz and fell on a simple triple toe. She rebounded with the last jump a triple flip. Even if she were to skate this program clean I don't think she could challenge the other Japanese ladies. I support her efforts 100% and wish were well. "I say skate until your legs fall off". After her skate she was thanking Morozov for his support. She seems so gracious and appreciative of her performance.

    Elena - I can't for the life of me remember what she skated to. She opened with a beautiful triple lutz and then popped the flip, which I expected. She did managed to hit a triple salcow and a double axel-triple toe combination. She had on a terrible black outfit that did nothing for her figure and it accentuated her womanly body (if you know what I mean).

    Forte - Joelle is an old friend of mine and I remember her when she was just a little girl. She had retired from skating but has decided to give it another try. She actually is skating way better now that she ever did. She started with a shaky triple loop but went on to hit a total of six triples (not bad at all).

    Well, that's it for now.

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    Thank you for your reports of yesterday's and today's programs, MasterB.

    She opened with a beautiful triple lutz and then popped the flip, which I expected. She did managed to hit a triple salcow and a double axel-triple toe combination.
    Sounds heartening, especially the "beautiful triple lutz" part. A popped 3F may be due to Elene's trying to relearn the take off.

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    Thanks so much for the review. Otanal is a beautiful piece, but rather predictable for Fumie. I somehow feel that we have seen this from her already. I agree that even if she is clean she will have a challenge making the world team....but i hope she proves me wrong.

    Glad Adam and Oda skated better. I am interested to see how they both do this year. I hope Adam does get that 3rd world team spot instead of Carieere, who does nothing for me.

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    Perhaps "disappoint" is the wrong word to use. The thing with Oda is that he never turns out his legs or points his toes (not that every guy does) when he should. I am very much of the old John Curry school where form and body line are important for creating a picture on ice. He always appears to me to have clunky feet. I had hoped or expected that the move to Morozov would somehow address that, but at last it did not.

    In addition, I SEE very little relationship to his music. When he skates, the music is mere background sound to his going from one end of the rink to the other. The best aspect about Oda are the wonderful deep-knee bends he gets on his jumps (ironic that he can't use those deep edges through the slow parts of his program ala Yuka Sato).

    NOW remember... just because I see it this way doesn't mean everyone does. I am sure there are people out there who can see him over and over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterB View Post
    The thing with Oda is that he never turns out his legs or points his toes (not that every guy does) when he should.
    If Oda doesn't have that quality, then who - in your opinion - does? (of the current men).

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    Adam's Performance

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterB View Post
    Hello all,

    I just watched Adam and Oda compete at the Moran Open in New Jersey. For all the work he is doing with Morozov, Oda might've as well stayed in Japan. The short program was beyond boring. He fell on the triple axel, but the rest of his jumps had their usual beauty to it.

    Adam is more suited for the passionate Morozov choreography but he too failed at the triple axel. Adam will have a lot of pressure on him this year to perform well since his spectacular showing in Juniors this past season.

    On a different note: Ando and Fumie both withdrew from the competition (bummer). Elena from Georgia skated poorly, in fact she skated worse than last yeaI will go back tonight and watch the long programs. I wish them all the best

    FYI: Adam's mother indicated that he skated his SP to a new cut of the music for the first time that evening. I was wondering why he appeared to be lost during his SP and chalked it up to his potential apprehension about the triple axel and then missing it. This is another component that contributed to a less than stellar performance. It's still early in the season.
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    I'm glad to see Joelle skated well here too. She did a nice job at Liberty as well.

    Does she have either the lutz or the flip yet?

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    Just to answer a few music questions above -- Murakami performed his short to "Night on Bald Mountain" and his long to "Variations of a Theme by Paganini." Gedeshvanishvili's short was to music from "Cabaret" and her long was a Latin medley featuring "Besame Mucho" and "Rumba d'Amore." IMO neither set the world on fire but the season is young.

    Again, although he is perhaps not reminiscent of Curry -- the Curry of '76, anyway -- I was extremely impressed with Oda. He appears more powerful and certainly speedier than ever before. I think he could have a big year, relatively speaking. I know another thread has been opened on this topic so if this post is repetitive I apologize.

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    According to my (possibly flawed) notes, Joelle did a triple Lutz-double toe, and attempted a triple flip but had a sizable turnout on the landing. She really gave a good accounting of herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterB View Post
    Perhaps "disappoint" is the wrong word to use. The thing with Oda is that he never turns out his legs or points his toes (not that every guy does) when he should. I am very much of the old John Curry (...)
    Has someone stole my Nobu and replaced him with a doppleganger?

    The balletic quality about his skating is one of the reasons I became a fan, and in his newer programs (AtW, Tosca) it would be difficult to find a frame when his posture leaves something to desire - great extension, great back and use of arms... I was especially happy that Miyamoto and Morozov chose to highlight that ability, because the two latest Wilson LPs consisted of crazy chasing from one end of rink to the other with no time left for catching breath, let alone to pay attention to the music (and the macho style of MI just plain clashed with Nobunari's soft style).

    One thing that could possibly cause feet-related issues at this particular competition is the change of boots - he usually changes them around this time in the off-season and before he breaks them in his skating is a bit cautious; or a minor leg injury which happened often in the 06/07 season when he was trying to get his quads consistent.

    But I somehow start to doubt that the issue lies in Nibunari's or Adam's performances - judging from the tone of your post and "nice" title, you just have something against the team Morozov and couldn't waste on occassion to put them in a negative light. It's "fans" like this that disappoint me, not the skaters who do their best.


    Quote Originally Posted by efreedman
    FYI: Adam's mother indicated that he skated his SP to a new cut of the music for the first time that evening. I was wondering why he appeared to be lost during his SP and chalked it up to his potential apprehension about the triple axel and then missing it. This is another component that contributed to a less than stellar performance. It's still early in the season.
    Thanks for the info, efreedman!

    And nylynnr, thanks for the info about the music choices. It looks like Murakami has 2 new programs. Too bad, I wanted to see the hip-hop one. :lol: Hopefully both he and Elene grow into their programs as the season goes on.

    BTW, I think it would be nice to merge the 2 Moran Open topics into one and change the title - not only it's unpleasant but also ignores other skaters who are also talked about here.

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    That's great! Is Elaine Zayak coaching her? Elaine was at the boards with Joelle at Liberty.

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    I did not see Elaine at Moran, however, as far as I know she is still coaching both Joelle Forte and Kristiene Gong, who was very good in junior ladies. I believe Steven Rice may have put Forte and/or Gong out at Moran; I think he and Elaine work together at times.

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    Here are all the Senior and Junior "unofficial" results/scores from Moran (don't know whether or not official results will be published online).

    SENIOR MEN FS
    1 Nobunari Oda 132.67 [71.77 TES/60.90 PCS]
    2 Adam Rippon 130.56 [68.42/63.14 -1 ded.]

    SENIOR LADIES FS
    1 Fumie Suguri (JPN) 98.52 [51.29/48.23 -1]
    2 Joelle Forte 79.04 [40.42/38.62]
    3 Elene Gedevanishvili (GEO) 77.54 [37.74/40.80 -1]
    4 Amanda Gordon 67.55 [32.04/37.51 -2]
    5 Jazmyn Manzouri 57.38
    6 Zsa Zsa Riordan (POL) 44.59
    7 Rachel Manning 38.56
    8 Xiao Shan Liao 33.49

    JUNIOR MEN FS exhibition
    Daisuke Murakami (JPN) 118.32 [63.94/55.38 -1]
    His music was Rachmaninoff’s Variations/Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini (techno version at begininning and end).
    Jumps: 4t (looked good!), 3a fall/ur?, 3f (hung on), 3r-2t, 3z, 3f-2t-2r, 3r, 3s-2t.


    JUNIOR LADIES FS (jump notes for top 2)
    1 Samantha Cesario 82.95 [45.15/37.80]
    2a-2a, 3s-2t, 3t, 3s, 2f, 2z-2r-2r, 2a. Very impressive performance to “Turandot.”
    2 Kristiene Gong 64.18 [32.18/33.00 -1]
    2a-2t, 3z, 3s-2t, 3t-2t-2r, 3s, 3t fall, A (no points). “Phantom of the Opera.”
    3 Kelsey Rowley 55.30 [26.28/30.02 -1]
    4 Anastasiya Kononenko 51.05 [21.35/31.70 -2]
    5 Camille Menendez 50.74 [21.83/28.91]
    6 Victoria Calderone 49.70 [20.59/29.11]
    7 Taylor Chang 47.66 [20.75/27.91 -1]
    8 Jessica Wai (TPE) 46.71 [21.70/27.01 -2]
    9 Molly Novello 45.59 [21.68/24.91 -1]
    10 Tiffany Wu 44.62 [18.01/26.61]
    11 Tasnova Rouf 44.08 [18.87/25.21]

    SENIOR MEN SP
    1 Nobunari Oda (JPN) 63.62
    2 Adam Rippon 57.64

    SENIOR LADIES SP
    1 Elene Gedevanishvili (GEO) 43.91
    2 Joelle Forte 41.12
    3 Amanda Gordon 40.28
    4 Zsa Zsa Riordan (POL) 30.58
    5 Jazmyn Manzouri 22.74
    6 Xiao Shan Liao 20.22
    7 Rachel Manning 19.91

    JUNIOR MEN SP
    1 Daisuke Murakami (JPN) 60.62
    2 Jesse Berman 32.11

    JUNIOR LADIES SP
    A Kononenko 43.33
    S Cesario 41.98
    K Gong 38.40
    J Wai (TPE) 35.62
    K Rowley 35.04
    C Menendez 33.18
    M Novello 30.90
    T Chang 29.67
    V Calderone 29.17
    K Zuccarini 24.03
    T Rouf 23.70
    T Wu 20.45

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