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    Ladies Final Results

    Jennifer DON USA 143.07 1 1 1
    Lesley HAWKER CAN 131.46 2 2 2
    Olga NAIDENOVA RUS 119.54 9 3 3
    Miia MARTTINEN FIN 119.43 4 6 4
    Daria TIMOSHENKO AZE 118.62 5 7 5
    Denise ZIMMERMANN GER 118.35 6 4 6
    Amber CORWIN USA 117.87 3 8 7
    Sara FALOTICO BEL 113.64 12 5 8
    Katharina HÄCKER GER 109.92 7 9 9
    Kristin WIECZOREK GER 101.79 10 10 10
    Caroline GÜLKE GER 96.46 8 11 11
    Constanze KEMMNER GER 86.58 13 13 12
    Shirene HUMAN RSA 85.03 11 15 13
    Irina LUKIANENKO UKR 84.38 15 12 14
    Alenka ZIDAR SLO 83.77 14 14 15

    Interesting to note that Naidenova pulled up from 9th to 3rd.


    Mathman- Actually, the way I understand it, the "caller's" decisions are really 3 people's. The Controller, the Specialist, and in this case, the [color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color]'t Specialist. As I was told there is co-operation between the three during the comp. We will be trying to confirm this.

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    Way to go, Jennifer Don!

    I was surprised that Amber didn't do better. She must have missed some jumps. She is a skater who I thought would be helped by the CoP because she always comes out with some inpressive individual elements, especially jumps. It was in "putting it all together" that she was not so strong, which I thought would be downplayed under CoP judging.

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    Actually, I thought Amber wouldn't be helped by COP considering she cheats most of her jumps. That's clearly evident because she's in 7th place behind people I never heard of. Anyways, congrats to Jennifer Don.

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    From what I have seen of the Nebelhorn results and some commentaries, it appears that the whole performance is more important than the individual elements.

    That is why Nicholas Young won the SP by such a large margin over Scott Smith, and why event winning the FS didn't give the gold medal to Smith. Young accumulated enough PRESENTATION points in the SP to outdo Smith, who did a quad combination, and by a huge margin.

    Similarly, Jennifer Don completed only two triple jumps in her FS, and no triple lutz, and got more points than Hawker and Naidenova (who both had triple lutzes, and Naidenova had a 3/3).

    It seems a skater has to do what he or she set out to do, and do it technically correctly, in a balanced program, and skate with speed and confidence.

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    Originally posted by RealtorGal
    Am I to understand that now the SP and LP are equally weighted? It looks that way since the total of their SP and LP results are added to give the final total.
    Yes and no. The long program is worth more, for one reason, simply because it is longer, more elements to score. Maximum " program component" value in the SP is 50, maximum in the LP is 100. (for men) Women are 40 and 80. Plus technical marks.

    And yes, the results are just added together to get the final total.

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    I would just like to add to what Norlite said that things get VERY complex when it comes to dance. Some elements in CDs are weighed more than those same elements in ODs. OK, now I even condused myself

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    Originally posted by Norlite
    And........


    How the heck can a computer detect the fact that a skater flutzed her lutz??? [/B]
    That is exactly what I thought yet responses were saying the computer picks up faults. I can not even believe that a computer can tell the difference between a double and a triple axel.

    But, thanks again on the info of the Caller.

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    The FS is weighted to have more value than the SP. In computing the final mark, SP points are multiplied by 1, FS points by 2, then the marks are added up.

    But as we have seen in the Men's competition, a skater can pile up enough of a point advantage in the SP so that even if someone else has more points in the FS, the SP winner will still win gold.

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    Can someone give me some information about Nicholas Young? I am not familiar with him at all.

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    Nick Young bio:

    http://www.skatecanada.ca/english/teams/index.html

    Oh, sorry. it seems it didn't lead to his page. Just click on Senior team to the left of the screen, then his name.

    Strange that SC never leads directly like that.
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    Wow, this is really interesting! I wasn't too sure about the whole COP thing at first (I still think they should iron out some bumps, such as giving points for a jump even if it's fallen on) but it's really interesting to see results from it. Not only the big jumps in placement, but also I like how the scores of the SP are kept as scores rather than just placement - so there is a points difference between someone who slam dunks in the SP and someone who wins by a tiny margin. I think that's great.

    Can't wait to see the results of the GP events! (As I'm more familiar with the skaters.) Also way to go Sinead and John Kerr! So close to a bronze.

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    Norlite -- Yeah, that is strange. The individual pages don't seem to have their own Internet addresses.

    I know that some commercial sites don't want you to jump into the middle of their spiel like that because they want to make sure that you read all the ads that you encounter on the way, while you're trying to get to the page you want.

    Anyway, thanks for the information on Nick. I don't suppose that this competition is going to be on television at all (?)

    Toni -- ITA about the "slamdunk in the short program." That is a new and interesting twist, and I think a good one. So it will be like a football team that is down by 10 points after the first half. Can they make a comeback, or will it fall short. I think this is better than the old, if you're in the top three and you win the free, you win the gold.

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    Mathman--You are indeed right, people ARE discussing the COP. I hadn't looked at this thread because I didn't know any of the skaters.

    Okay, one more post to go to make 3k. On which thread should it be? Gee, this is almost like watching the odometer go from 99,999 to 100,000
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    Rgirl, you want discussion of the CoP? Just wait till the season begins in earnest with Skate America, and all of our favorite skaters start getting "robbed" by the new system!

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    Mathman, You're just trying to get me to post my 3000th post in this thread. Well, buddy, you missed it, har har!

    Seriously, we are having an Rgirl 3k partay somewhere on GS, which we would not even be having were it not for you. You just have to find it
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