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    Question Ina Bauer questions

    On other threads we have been arguing about Sasha Cohen's edges, about her spiral and about her Lutz. For a change of pace I would like to say something completely non-controversial that I think everyone can agree on: Sasha has the best Ina Bauer in the business.

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    (OK, all you Sarah fans -- Sarah has an excellent one, too. )

    So here are my questions.

    1. This move seems to be all about flexibility and extension. What are you supposed to be doing "from the ankles down?" Is it hard to do? Do edges and ice coverage play a role?

    2. To me, this move looks just as beautiful and "soul-satisfying" as a well executed spiral. Does the code of points give any credit for this move? We hardly ever see it in a competitive program.

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    Re: Ina Bauer questions

    Originally posted by Mathman

    1. This move seems to be all about flexibility and extension. What are you supposed to be doing "from the ankles down?" Is it hard to do? Do edges and ice coverage play a role?

    2. To me, this move looks just as beautiful and "soul-satisfying" as a well executed spiral. Does the code of points give any credit for this move? We hardly ever see it in a competitive program.

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    This is a MITF move, so guess what it is about edges again. Yukina Ota and Sasha Cohen may prefer to do it one way with flexibility, some skaters may choose another way to present this move. I have to disagree that Sasha has the best, maybe one of the best in terms of flexibility, why don't you review the junior worlds tape, and pay attention to Yukina's ina. I think Ota's ina covered more ice, and she has equal or maybe even more flexibility.

    One of the most touching ina bauer was done by Rudy in his orchestral John Denver Annie's song. Rudy's ina was choreographed to a lengthy phrase of music, it gave us so much emotion, and it lasted for so long and covered HUGE CHUNKS of ice surface.

    I believe in COP, spirals and ina receive about the same credit.
    Look at Fumie's Sanctus programs, if you watch her live, you will notice that she covers at least 2/3 maybe even 3/4 of the rink.
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    Yeah, it is an edge move. As is most everything in skating.

    Actually, the ina bauer is considered a type of spread eagle, or variation of the spread eagle. There are inside and outside ina bauers, as in spread eagles. The flexibility is only an option, rather like the height of the free leg is in the spiral.

    I myself, prefer the very flexible back-over bend, but many people do not.

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    It's not just Cohen's extension and flexibility that make's her Ina Bauer so impressive. I think it's the way she lifts up from her waist before going over and back, slowly, and across half of the length of the rink that causes the shivers, at least for me.

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    What makes Sasha's Ina Bauer stand out -- is an arch in her back, legs position (her legs are miles apart), and how long she's able to hold on (in her R&J program Sasha holds her Ina by an entire length of the rink). Too often we see Ina Bauer being held out only for a few second, this move requires a lot of strength and great edges control.

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    Well, with the Ina Bauer, it takes a lot of control and very strong legs to keep that position; I have a lot trouble with it because my body just doesn't want to let my right leg 'drag' along so I end up curving and I can't hold it for very long. Difficult...but GORGEOUS! I love Sasha's Ina!

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    Both are impressive.
    What I love about Ota's Ina is the way she does it to the crescendo of the music making it seem so gloroious. Also she changes to the inside edge at the turn of the phrase and gives it so much emotion.

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    Originally posted by shine


    Both are impressive.
    What I love about Ota's Ina is the way she does it to the crescendo of the music making it seem so gloroious. Also she changes to the inside edge at the turn of the phrase and gives it so much emotion.
    Yukina's ina has a lovely transition into a change edge spread eagle which was very effective. At worlds exhibition I did not see Sasha's R&J ina covering the entire rink, maybe 1/3 - 1/2 of the rink at most.
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    Very nice Ina Bauer for Yukina.

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    Yukina's ina is so impressive!
    I fell in love with her ina in Japan National.

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    WOW for Yukina and Sasha!

    Thanks for the pictures, all. You made my day.

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    At worlds exhibitiion, most of the ladies included the ina bauer. Fumie's was the most impressive in my book, she covered MAJOR real estate with minimum set up, and the SPEED of her ina bauer was second to none in that exhibition. Sasha's ina bauer IMO did not cover the "entire rink" or "half of the rink" or "at most 1/3 - 1/2 rink", more like one eigth, and her speed was no where near 2 other ladies.

    Originally posted by kokekin
    Yukina's ina is so impressive!
    I fell in love with her ina in Japan National.
    I am jealous
    Last edited by gezando; 09-06-2003 at 09:57 AM.

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    I rewatched my tape. In R&J program Sasha's Ina Bauer follows her spiral, which takes 1/2 of the rink. Then Ina covers another half of the rink.

    Yukina has a flexible back, but her leg position is not as nice, as Sasha's. Yukina holds out her IB only for a few seconds too.

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    Did you want the "seconds" to be "minutes"?

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