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    I LOVE IT!
    Only Sasha has the power to make 300 people post and argue about edges and spins.
    They don't realize that when you do a spin to perfection the chances are that one day you might slip.
    When she fisrt started skating evrybody complain about how her spins wore not centerd..
    Then how sloww..... she skates.
    Now the edges.
    Let's wait until next season to see with what the skating people will come upwith, to put Sasha's skating down.
    All these specialists all over the world who rave about her skating don't know a thing. So what is she is not perfect every time she skates.
    Everything she does is almost perfect.
    JUST ENJOY it people.

    GH

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    Realistic,
    Love your idea for "The Dummies Guide to Properly Expressing Differences of Opinions on Discussion Boards" You could sell a lot! And don't be sorry! I appreciate your lightening up of things and agree the thread needed it. Even I (especially) hate having to be that grumpy.

    As for Joe's "Sasha fans get used to it!" posts, two years ago, I thought the first few were Joe just being Joe, too. In fact I thought the first one was funny. But two years later, especially after I tried to talk to him about it via PM and got what I thought was a dismissive and pompous response, I decided to take the gloves off.

    Re your point about how any elite figure skater is going to have ardent, non-bendable fans, etc. who take the slightest criticism as a bash, ITA. I got tired of Joe singling out Sasha's fans again and again over two years, and then saying, "We Kwan fans know all about it" as if Michelle's fans (some, not all) never get hypersensitive.

    I know I said I had nothing else to say. I guess I lied

    Windspirit,
    Well said. ITA.

    Rtureck,
    I'm glad you're reconsidering some things. BTW, you sound an awfully lot like Eltamina, but that's JMO. Any relation?
    Rgirl

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    Originally posted by windspirit
    And after a while I've come to realize there's no talking about Sasha with her/him - more or less - objectively. Nor with you. You both seem to have some kind of Sasha compulsion (different kinds, but still) that always comes first. And thanks to you two the "Sasha is that - She is not" threads have a chance to live forever.
    For the record, it is "her," not "him," Windspirit.

    Listen, we can argue about quality of Sasha skating, until we're both blue in the face. I think what makes ANTI-Sasha fans, and others, who just don't appreciate her skating -- rattle, is a fact, that I always have a quote of the figure skating greatest, to support my statements.

    Again, for the record: I didn't start "Sasha's edges" thread. It runs for 300+ posts, but not all of it exclusively about Sasha. Neither am I the most active poster there, and you're welcome to avoid this thread, if don't like it so much.

    I must say, I'm unsettled by unfair equating of my positive attitude towards Sasha, with angry, smearing posts, who'd shadow my every entrance on this Board, and are aiming to depict in the negative light not only Sasha's technique, but also her personality traits (not only she's no good of skater, but she's a liar, she puts down other competitors, unfair to her fans, etc.). Very little of it has to do with skating, and quite frankly, it's uncalled for. "RGirl" got it right, I was just trying to defend Sasha on the first "Year in review" thread.

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    Windspirit, the very first Sasha thread I post was that IFS thread. I made some comments about Sasha's skating, and I said her edges were improving.

    I post pictures of some Japanese skaters, and I gushed a bit. A Sasha fan called that "bashing". I asked him/her to read the definitin of "bashing". Maybe things get out of hand with all the back and forth.

    About the 300+ thread, I see nothing wrong with a long thread. I participated in that thread initially because of my interest in the physics. I post 37 times.
    One of my very first post was I predict Sasha to be the favorite to win Olympics in 2006
    9 : about the physics
    3 : Sarah gush
    3 :Kostner gush
    2: Tara gush/ defending her
    2 Fumie gush
    2 Kirk: about her basics are not as good Sasha, but she has mental toughness, and she is more artistic than AP
    1 : Irina has been the #1 ISU ranked skater, not Michelle
    1: examples of good jump exit, Kristi, Sarah, and Michelle
    2 : asking Idle to post some pictures of Ota and other skaters
    1: off topic about PDA
    1: on lips and flutz
    2: talking to Mathman about the term Ataque de Nevios
    1: talking to Shine, and Sasha was not brought up at all
    1: agreeing with Berthes about the best way to judge edges

    The other 5 times was the back and forth with a Sasha fan. That is my peeve, I take reposnsibility for it, but you can not say I wasn't provoked with the accusation of "bashing", "spreading tale" etc.

    Sasha's edges: I honestly think that is not her strongest, and she is not the best as one of her fan claimed. I did not say she was the worst either.


    I did not "let any pro Sasha thing slipped by without disproving". I am sure it seems that way to Sasha fans, and you are a Sasha fan? From my point of view, it is just a discussion about her skating, and I have a different opinion.

    If you or any Sasha fan want to call "anti Sasha", there is nothing I can do to change your mind. I may add a reminder in the future, that it is just an opinion, and nothing personal against Sasha. But I will not be intimidated by name calling / labelling into worshipping any skater.
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    Rtureck,
    Call it and yourself what you will, but I think most people, no matter what skater they're fans of or whether they are just general skating fans with no particular favorite, see what you write about Sasha for what it is--an attempt to come as close to bashing as you can without going over the line.

    Maybe things get out of hand with all the back and forth.
    A thread was closed by the moderators because of it, so I would say things definitely got out of hand. IMO, and I am not a Sasha fan, though there are things I like about her skating, I have to say the bulk of the responsibility for the problem lies with you. The way I see it, Registered was mostly defending why she likes Sasha's skating. You were on the attack. Registered probably should have contacted a moderator about the situation and hopefully will if a similar situation occurs in the future, but IMO you've been down this road before and should know better.
    Rgirl

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    Rgirl, unless you can find what I write about Sasha specifically, I consider you are trying to label and name call. Give me the specifics then we can discuss, and come to a better understanding, and I am willing to reword, or edit some messages, otherwise, IMO it is close to intimidation tactics from some Sasha fans.

    "see what you write about Sasha for what it is--an attempt to come as close to bashing as you can without going over the line."
    Either there is bashing or there is not, there is GS board guideline about bashing. I received some messages from people who agree with my assessment of Sasha's skating, and they are afraid to speak up for fear, so I disagree with you about "most people", some Sasha fans perhaps?

    Who attack first? I believe I was just talking about silly stuff on the IFS thread when a Sasha fan called that "bashing". My reponse had been asking him/ her to read the board rule about "bashing" Registered was not defending his favorite skater, he attacked about " having your head exam" "deeply troubled", just because I asked him to review the definition of bashing.

    PS: On second thought I don't want to have much back and forth with you, this is a moderated board, so if there are messages about Sasha you want to report, let the moderators know, and if they think I should delete or edit, they can tell me. I requested that you don't name call or label if possible.
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    Rtureck,
    I think that once again things are in danger of turning into a negative back-and-forth. If we have anything more to say to each other, I think it would be best to do it via PM. Peace.
    Rgirl

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    I wondered when the lovely Mao Asada would show again. She looks like she's in pain on this one though. It must be the nature of the spin.

    Ooops - I just got so used to seeing the lovely Mao Asada that I just made an assumption. We have a lovely new candidate for cuteness. What's her name?
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    Name: Caroline Zhang

    Here is lovely Mao Asada with a pony tail, ribbon that matches her skating outfit


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    That's not the lovely Mao, it's the equally lovely Caroline Zhao Zhang! You can see by her position the influence that Sasha is having already as a role model for younger skaters.

    Well, I am now going to close this thread on Sasha's Year in Review. I just counted, and of the 25 posts on this thread, only one -- the very first one -- is about Sasha's Year.

    I'm going to bed now, but in the morning I will start collaboration with Realistic51 on Dummies Guide. Chapter One, How to say: "I'm sorry that what I said offended you." Without, of course, saying either: "I'm sorry I said what I said" (I'm not) or "I'm sorry that you took offence" (too in-your-face).

    Mathman

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    Mathman if you are still reading

    Mao with expressive fingers


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    Bro-o-o-ther. You guys are just out there waiting to pounce on me, aren't you. I open the thread for a tiny little comment and whoosh, in everybody flies before I can close the door again.

    OK, have it your way.

    Mathman

    PS. I am sorry if what I said about flying in offended anyone, it being close to hallowe'en and all.

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    No, I'm not still reading! I went to bed!

    But about Mao Asada of the Expressive Fingers: Aawwwwwwwwwwww!

    MM

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    One can write about some skaters quite freely whether pro or con. but for others it will bring down the wrath of fury when reading anything that is perceived as slightly off center about their favorite. Misinterpretations of posts should always be considered.

    There is the discussion form ("While I like so and so, I don't adore him) and there is the debate form (Who has the best spiral?). Both are perfectly normal procedures and one doesn't have to follow any orders. Outright bashing and name calling, however, are not only prohibited in GS they are, imo, downright in bad taste.

    Oh yes, As to the remark that I have a 'superior attitude' in public is nothing less than a total bash of me.

    Joe
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