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    I completely agree with VietGrl. I don't think Michelle would have gone pro after Nagano no matter what the result. She was 17 and only at the beginning of a wonderful career. Certainly the dream of Olympic Gold was a factor in her decision to stay eligible, but I have to say that I actually believe it when Michelle says "I love to compete." I also think she'll stay for 2006. I couldn't be more pleased to see this. She brings an elegance and stability to this sport that I would miss terribly.

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    Michelle has said flat out that she will never go pro. When she decides that she's had enough, she's had enough.

    Er, of course that won't stop her from doing shows now and then, going on tour with COI, etc.

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    She really has no reason to turn pro. And she's in a perfect position to turn the tide of eligible skating away from one-hit wonders. Imagine all the young skaters who just may stick it out year after year to compete with the likes of MK. The possibilities are endless!

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    Originally posted by Mathman

    Er, of course that won't stop her from doing shows now and then, going on tour with COI, etc.

    Mathman
    I heard she may appear in a documentary film about some Math Immersion Program?

    The Messiah won't come, and Michelle won't go ~ Joesitz
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    I think Michelle will skate up to 2006. Then I think she will go back to school full time or maybe even get married and start a family. Not sure she would want to give the non-Kwan fans the opportunity to say she struck out 3 times. Of course, the Kwan fans might be able to say "third time is a charm".

    Don't think she will ever go "pro".

    I hope my hunch is wrong because I would love to see her skate at the 2006 Olympics and put out a program like she did this year at Nationals and Worlds. Win gold or not. Let the world see just how great a skater she really is. No pressure - just enjoy the experience and give her fans the chance to see it all happen.

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    Mathman - You really like my quote? Without being religiously offensive, it just might be true.

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    I have absolutely no idea what she will do, and if we buy into her recent press, neither does she.

    I will however say the following:

    1) Don't believe all that you hear.

    Quotes at thier worst are nothing more than non committal spin skaters put on media questions so that they can retain some privacy while not alienating fans.

    Quotes at thier best are nothing more than what the skater is feeling/thinking at that specific moment.

    For years and years my favorite color was blue. Now my favorite color is red, and has been for quite some time. Was I telling the truth when I said that I loved blue? Yes. Is it still how I feel today? No.

    I wouldn't waste more than a minute predicting the future based on what a skater once said.

    2) Money....it's a non issue.

    Prize money is pocket change for someone like Kwan. She makes the bulk of her money from Disney, Chevy and Tom Collins, all of which she would still have if pro or eligable.

    Any skater who is famous enough to make money as a pro, is famous enough to make money as an eligable. Money is a dead issue. The ISU put the final nail in that coffin when it started allowing the eligables to make money back in the early 90s.

    3) Stop dissing the pro world.

    Obviously all of the cheesy post-Tonya/Nancy events have spoiled us into unreality. Pro skating is no worse off than it was when Kat Witt or Sonja Henie went pro. In fact, its better off as they have COI and SOI rather than just Disney or Ice Capades. Even the dreadful Hip-Hop on Ice was more than Barbara Ann Scott had back in the day. IMHO, it was the class skating of Kristi, Boitano, Wylie and Kurt that made the boom years good. The events (Ice wars, Gold, etc..) were all bs, and no better or worse than skating thru Donald Duck's birthday cake frosting.

    Sonja, John Curry, Scott Hamilton, Peggy: all turned pro and entered a black hole of inoportunity. All created something spectacular.

    Ask not what pro skating can do for the famous skater, but rather what the famous skater can do for pro skating.

    4) It's not a sport, it's a lifestyle.

    Why did Kristi give up a very big shot at double gold and instead work her butt off to keep a high level of competiveness in the pro world?

    Lifestyle.

    Her words, not mine.

    5) As good as gold.

    IMHO, there is no practical reason for feeling Kwan would have turned pro after Nagano gold.

    Not only did she prove that one can lose the gold medal and still be rich and famous the world over, but just think of all the "Kwan vs. Lipinski: the rematch" pro events that they would have created for her/them even if she turned pro after silver.

    She didn't want to. End of story. It's about "lifestyle".

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    Thumbs up

    Originally posted by Joesitz
    No problem with your 5 points of MK staying eligible ( we really can't say 'amateur' anymore). She has her fans that would agree with you. But she also has her share of non'fans - those who really do not want to see anymore of her. There is all that talk about "should turn Pro". I would never say that about any skater. As you say, what is a Pro nowadays?

    I'm rooting for MK and Irina to prove there is no age thing with beautiful skating, and it proves my point gloriously in competitive skating. The less said about Pro competions, the better. Pro competitions is for fans who are more interested in gimmicks and far out costumes than sport, imo.

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    I hear yeah. The Haters wan't her gone so other could move up in rank. Meanwhile they could do that now if they could out skate her day in & day out. It has been done before. 1998 & 2002. Why should someone be forced to retire (Under the age of 25 ) because, some may want other to get the spot light, meanwhile they haven't yet earned the top spot:sheesh:. I do know that one day she will no longer be 1 of the top skaters in the world. & it will be a sad day when she does leave the sport. But, the Professional ranks have seen better days. There is not that much left for the skaters of today. I too think that she will try to stick around until 2006. I hope that she does. I would love to see her skate. Will she medal. I don't know. Gold seems like a long shot. But, you never.know.

    I will say this when ever Michelle, Irina, Alexei & Plushenko retire or leave the sport. It will be a sad day.

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    There's nothing in the pro world because of over exposure of crap. So there's no point of that. I'm sure one of the reasons is that she would like to give the Olympics another try but even she has to know that that can't be the only reason because after all of this the Olympic gold just may not be in her fate.

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    I agree,
    she'll never go pro!

    When Michelle's done with skating I say she'll simply
    just retire, while retaining her eligibility should she ever get the itch again and want to return to competitive competiton.

    The pro circut is all but non-exsistant.
    Also, like has been said, the amount of "cheese"
    has ruined it's image as well.

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    I think fans are of the assumption that figure skating is a sport for little girls and once they pass 20 they should go pro, whatever that means.

    I think those fans are wrong to want over-20 skaters to drop out of 'eligible' skating for prodom, but hey, that's me. Maybe we could limit the age of girls to 19, but not for me!

    Joe

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    Joe,

    It may be possible to limit the age of girls to 19, since I know a lot of women who impose their own personal "age limits". My mother, for instance, has been celebrating her 29th birthday for decades now :D

    But seriously, I agree that beautiful skating should know no age limits. As for Kwan, I get the feeling that the "competitive edge" is in her blood, and as long as the body and mind are willing, she will still be out there, competing with the best of them... Just look at Martina Navratilova, winning two Grand Slam Mixed Doubles titles and competing in a Grand Slam Doubles Final at the age of 47!!

    I think that Kwan will set a new standard for longevity in the sport of figure skating... we may even see her in 2010.

    EricAba.

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    "It may be possible to limit the age of girls to 19, since I know a lot of women who impose their own personal "age limits". My mother, for instance, has been celebrating her 29th birthday for decades now."

    Joe-I agree with you that skaters are still in the prime of their careers after 20. If everyone retired after the age of 19 we would lose a lot of wonderful skaters. There is no incentive to turn "pro" so as long as Michelle is willing and able to continue to compete why should she stop.

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    ladies rise your 20 and over card!!!

    I think that Kwan will set a new standard for longevity in the sport of figure skating... we may even see her in 2010.

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    AMEN!!

    I love hearing everyone's opinion about this. Really the topic of going pro is not limited to Michelle. I hope Irina doesn't go pro anytime soon either. Maria Bute, Elena Sokalova, Irina, Michelle, Angela, all the 20 and over crowd....I just respect the hell out of them. To be so dedicated to this sport year after year. We all know our sport has the image of young little girls(without curves, hips, and breasts). That model has never jived well with me because from my prospective this is LADIES skating, not LITTLE GIRLS skating. I like seeing a world champ with a bust line. I like seeing mature presentation on the ice. I like fully rotated triple jumps. That, to me, is just a classic ideal of ladies skating. Continueing the tradiation of Hamil, Fleming, Witt, Lynn, Albright, and all the others who came before. It is more than just Michelle but the long term health of our sport. I mean since the end of school figures the youth movement began.(Ending school figures was the right thing to do but they also should have had a age restriction so skaters can learn to skate on edges before lern triples). Tara, Osksana, and Michelle herself were all apart of this apperent youth movement in the mid- 90's. I think it is so ironic that Michelle who you could argue was the face of the youth movement in '95 is the face of career longevity in elite skating today....I love how she just pisses off people who don't like her, by her further success!!!Which idea of figure skating do you want to see come 20 years from now? Skaters continueing their career well in to their 20s or burnt with injuries our by 16? We as fans should embress this change the pindulium has swung back to the 20 and over crowd!
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    Berthe, I love your post! Especially the part about what the famous skater could do for the pro world. I wish the USFSA would yank 95% of the money making ability away from the eligibles so they'd have some incentive to get the heck out after they've won every comp in sight. I liked the turnover every 4 years. Unfortunately I never see that happening.

    Truly no offense meant, but I hope Michelle gives it up before '06. I don't think I can stomach the will she/won't she crap that will totally dominate the coverage if she does go. And, hey, if she didn't get it in Nagano chances are she'll be totally off the podium in '06. She's not improving, she hasn't improved in years. I love her, she's great, and extremely good at what she does, but what she does is play it safe and that's starting to get really boring. I wish she'd go pro and rivive the comps there. I'd love to see she and Irina slug it out along with Butyrskaya and the rest of the ones that have been around too long.

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