Idle, I both pix are of Sasha.
Idle, I both pix are of Sasha.
"Could someone define these moves for me? I know the Biellman, but what about the others?
- the Hamill camel
http://www.wildartgallery.com/famskat/7-3THCgf.gif
it was a camel spin that went directly to a sit spin
- the Button (now flying) camel
http://www.frogsonice.com/skateweb/p...uttoncamel.gif
- the Grafstrom (now flying) sit
the origionator: http://www.frogsonice.com/skateweb/p.../grafstrom.gif
the spin: http://users.bigpond.net.au/apsa/1948butt.jpg
http://www.skatejournal.com/flyspin.html
- the layback
the origionator: http://www.iceskate-magazine.com/Cec...AUG%201944.JPG
the spin: http://www.atairgin.com/IMAGES/iceskater.jpg
- the Kwan spin
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olymp...ages/11_08.jpg
- Sasha's "beaver cleaver"
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021103/sp.jpg
- what Midori used to do.
http://www.skater.com/images/ice-sk8...2a_jmittan.jpg
Thanks for all the pictures! They're so much easier to understand than the lengthy explanations
Annemarie
I have heard of the 'non toe take off Lutz' but I've never seen one. Has anyone performed this jump? I would think it would be a most idfficult jump without the toe take off.
Joe
Last edited by Joesitz; 09-13-2003 at 07:40 AM.
A loop is a Rittberger. Probably just called a loop for ease of speech?Originally posted by berthes ghost
BTW, why didn't the inventors of the toe loop and the flip get a name credit?
Toe loop is still called a cherry flip in a lot of places.
A flip is a Toe Salchow. I guess it was thought that credit should still go to Salchow even though someone else obviously did it first. Like a one foot Axel is still an Axel, and an inside axel is still an axel even if someone else thought of them??
And yes, there is criteria for a toeless lutz in the judge's rulebooks, old ones anyway, I didn't check CoP. But I can't personally remember anyone ever doing one.
Both my coach and my former pairs partner have done the toeless lutz. Apparently it was something added into the ISI tests years ago when they were searching for ways to keep people challenged. My partner not only stated that it was very difficult, but he thought it was ungainly looking and had resulted in a lot of injuries with people who were trying to learn it. He said they used to put crash helmuts on because there's a tendency to do one of those "banana peel" kinds of falls if you miss the take-off, causing you to crash backwards onto your back, with your right leg high in the air, and hitting your head on the ice.
Frankly, they both warned me off of even trying it, and since I have 1,001 other things that need work, I guess I'll leave it be!
Glad they had the sense to wear the helmets!Originally posted by Cinderella on Ice
He said they used to put crash helmuts on because there's a tendency to do one of those "banana peel" kinds of falls if you miss the take-off, causing you to crash backwards onto your back, with your right leg high in the air, and hitting your head on the ice.
Last edited by Norlite; 09-13-2003 at 10:53 AM.
Way back when, even before I was born, Vaudville shows always had what was called an Adagio Dance Couple. Many of the lifts from those tacky shows showed up in Ballet and Ballroom. Figure Skating just borrowed them and adapted them to ice. Even recently, I noticed one lift where the lady exits a lift by a sommersalt through the man's arms. We called that Skin the Cat in gymnastics. Mind you, far be it from me to put figure skating down, but innovative lifts are, for the most part, brought into figure skating from other art forms. However, slippery ice does bring in the excitement of danger. I approve of the borrowing. I am sure, Dance has borrowed from figure skating.Originally posted by berthes ghost
I like it when the pairs come up with new lifts: the ID, the Hartattack, etc...
I don't think that anyone's invented a jump in almost a century, much to my dismay. BTW, why didn't the inventors of the toe loop and the flip get a name credit?
Also way back in time, a guy named Bruce Mapes (American or Canadian, I don't know) seemed to have been credited with the toe loop and it was called on rollers a Mapes, but on ice, I think Cherry Toe was the name. Anyone have more information on Bruce Mapes?
Joe
I think it's funny how some names stick and others don't. NNN is the peson I've even seen do a foward Charlotte. Why isn't it called a Naomi or a Narlotte or something?
One cool move that I've only seen once is how Jacqueline du Bief used to do a camel/illusion/camel/illusion/camel/illusion etc.. spin.
I've read that Annette Potzsch used to do a spread eagle in a layback position, but I've never seen it. Is it true?
Okay,Originally posted by Norlite
Yeah, it must be easier to show. My daughter just tried it using your instructions and all she could figure out was you just described Slute's 3 turn entrance into her loop.
Could you try to elaborate? (she's willing to try it on the ice if you had more specific instructions and then I can get the "Bynx" ratified. :D
let's see if I can make it a little more clear.
I actually tried it on the ground and it work(single).
I did have irina's 3-turns in mind while trying to explain it the first time, doing the 3-turns would give you better balance.
Here goes:(skater how's right handed)
1.Do the set-up for the loop
2.As you are rounding, do the 3-turns. Instead of keeping the free-leg in as Slute does, let the free-leg swing out(It's like one of those ballet moves, a piroette(sp?) I think, but keep the leg low, don't swing it high. Swing it low so to be able to pwer up into the jump.
3.On the third turn, allow the free-leg to swing back and up and your body to rotate to the left
From there, the rest of the jump is like all of the others.
I hope this makes more sense.
The Bynx!
I like the sound of that!:D
I think Jacqueline du Bief was in Capades after her gold Worlds but I can't really remember. Anyway she did do an illusion spin. I remember the number because she had taken a glass of champagne (fake, of course) and then in her routine was skating all askew and the illusion spin worked beautifully. It was the talk of the skating world in those days.
Didn't Sarah attempt the illusion spin?
Joe
Joe
Yep,
Sarah tried the illusion. She did 2 in her Fosse program. Sloppy illusion at one end of the rink, down to the other end, another sloppy illusion. :sheesh: I always felt like she got stuck in the middle but still managed to keep going somehow.
I was never impressed by the illusion, but then again I might be if I ever saw Lucinda Ruh doing one. Does anyone know where I could find a clip of a really good one. I know that Kristi and Tara have done them, but I really wasn't all that impressed with theirs either. They were better than Sarah's illusion but I still don't like them.
What about the Charlotte Spin? We wrote about this before, and I believe we thought it is near impossible.
Anyone know if anyone is attempting that? MK seems to be trying it when she holds her back outside spiral and decreasing the circle into a spin. What if she put her leg into the Charlotte and dropped her head? Think it would work?
Joe
I would love to see a Charlotte spin, but I don't know if anyone would even be willing to try it.
Probably the closest example is Eman's spin "check out my butt" spin.
http://www.kgphotos.com/cgi-bin/RLin...ate=MainFrames
Click on the main picture and then search on Emanuel Sandhu. The picture label is (Emanuel Sandhu 2001 Worlds 1836-4A)
I know there are other skaters doing this but I can't remember who at the moment.
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