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Yu-Na Kim's jumps discussion (merged threads)

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fiercemao

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Yu Na Kim is known for her excellent jump technique. She hasn't had any UR call until this year's 'Cup of China'. But is she really that good or are technical controllers simply turned a blind because of her reputation?

Let's take a look at some of the slow-motions of some of her recent performances:

2008 World championship SP, 4'35 slow-mo, 3lutz badly UR, fell, no call
[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I2JWBL5WWCU&feature=related

2008 Skate America LP 3flip+3toe, 3toe was obviously underrotated, slow-mo(>1/4 ), no UR call from technical controller
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c2GuzcjWn5c

2008 Skate America SP 3flip+3toe, it's even worse. 3toe was horribly underrotated(almost 1 full turn), no UR call as well!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4uX-0ncoEjU&feature=related

2008 Cup of China SP 3lutz UR, finally caught by technical controller!
5'09 slo-mo,
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-PYle36v_dk
 
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BelleFilleYuna

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Your concern and dedication for Yu-Na is really something I must say.

You remind me of Netnuts, ring a bell?? maybe his/her doppelganger??:rofl:
In that case, I hope you have all the blast here before you get banned again!!!
 
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turtle

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You're sick. Because Yuna was called UR for the first time (or second time, it doesn't matter, I don't count anyway), you're taking this opportunity to even further your never-ending bashing of her. Your extremist posting is such that it will chase those of us interested in rational discourse away from this forum. My intention was to ignore you but can no longer do so. I have noticed that you unnecessarily make very rude comments about many skaters which makes me think that the only reason you watch skating is because you enjoy criticizing others. Why is there so much hatred and negativity?
 
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fiercemao

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turtle said:
. Why is there so much hatred and negativity?
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I have no hatred towards yu na kim. On the contrary, I have enjoyed her skating. The only thing I hate is the stupid UR/wrong edge call scheme. I am simply using Yu-Na as a vehicle to illustrate how unfair, subjective, manipulative and corrupt this scheme is.:laugh:
 
Blades of Passion

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I guess we need to have another talk about how jumps work? This is getting so tiresome.

fiercemao said:
Let's take a look at some of the slow-motions of some of her recent performances:

2008 World championship SP, 4'35 slow-mo, 3lutz badly UR, fell, no call
[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I2JWBL5WWCU&feature=related

2008 Skate America LP 3flip+3toe, 3toe was obviously underrotated, slow-mo(>1/4 ), no UR call from technical controller
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c2GuzcjWn5c

2008 Skate America SP 3flip+3toe, it's even worse. 3toe was horribly underrotated(almost 1 full turn), no UR call as well!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4uX-0ncoEjU&feature=related

2008 Cup of China SP 3lutz UR, finally caught by technical controller!
5'09 slo-mo,
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-PYle36v_dk
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None of these jumps deserved to be downgraded. Her recent 3Lutz that got downgraded was not more than 1/4 short on the landing. Plus, look at where her toepick leaves the ice. Many skaters have their toepick on the ice for a half-turn, Yu-Na releases hers much sooner than that. A 3Lutz from Yu-Na that's 1/4 of a turn short on the landing still has the same amount of total rotation in the air as a 3Lutz from Mao Asada that lands completely backwards.

Saying that Yu-Na's 3toe in the Skate America SP was almost a full turn underrotated is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. She rotates 2.5 times in the air and, once again, a Triple jump is 2.25 rotations in the air at minimum. I will keep saying this until everyone finally understands it.

If you think Yu-Na's 3-3 is underrotated, then guess what - by that standard Mao Asada has NEVER completed a 3-3 combination and nor has most anyone else in the World.
 
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ihystfuj

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fiercemao said:
I have no hatred towards yu na kim. On the contrary, I have enjoyed her skating. The only thing I hate is the stupid UR/wrong edge call scheme. I am simply using Yu-Na as a vehicle to illustrate how unfair, subjective, manipulative and corrupt this scheme is.:laugh:
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
I can't believe you actually said that :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
you have enjoyed her skating and no hatred towards yuna kim...
Yeah right, that makes sense:rofl::rofl::rofl:
maybe you should look up the definition of "enjoying" first haha
 
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Okami

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I strongly doubt that fiercemao is a Mao fan. The nickname, as well as regular trollish posts make me suspicious that his/her goal is simply to provoke posts bashing Mao, such as this:

Blades of Passion said:
If you think Yu-Na's 3-3 is underrotated, then guess what - by that standard Mao Asada has NEVER completed a 3-3 combination and nor has most anyone else in the World.
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Which is not true, either. While Mao had rotation issues, especially around the time of her growth spurt, she has landed a fair share of 3-3's rotated by any standards and her technique continues to improve, at least from what I've seen in the practice clips. As I create figure montages I spent a fair amount of time on looking at the skater's jumps in extreme slow-mo and looking for good angles.

And yes, I think YuNa 3F from 3F-3T was underrotated in LP at SA and in the SP at CoC. It's enough to look at the hook on the ice, or at the slow-mo at the end of the video. However, I don't think that makes YuNa a "regular" underrotater and probably there is no one trying harder to fix it than her. Nobody underrotates just to check if the judges will mind! There were other jumps that were overlooked by TC (like Ashley's 3Lz), and I don't mind YuNa 3-3's being overlooked here, because she deserved to be in 1st place.
 
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Okami said:
Which is not true, either. While Mao had rotation issues, especially around the time of her growth spurt, she has landed a fair share of 3-3's rotated by any standards
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Mao's 3Flip-3Loop gets a bit less than 2.5 rotations in the air when executed the best she can do it. Thus, if you think Yu-Na's 3Toe that rotates 2.5 rotations in the air should be considered underrotated, then you better call it like that for everyone else too (even compare to Men who do 3-3's...you'll find that pretty much all of those Triple Toeloops aren't more than 2.5 rotations in the air either). You can also compare Yu-Na's 3F-3T to Mao's 3F-3T...Mao has absolutely never gotten more rotation on her 3T than Yu-Na.

Okami said:
And yes, I think YuNa 3F from 3F-3T was underrotated in LP at SA and in the SP at CoC. It's enough to look at the hook on the ice, or at the slow-mo at the end of the video.
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The slow-mo shows that it is absolutely not underrotated at all. The "hook" you are talking about is the blade continuing to move on the ice after she has completed full rotation, which is quite normal.

Please, feel free to post comparison slow-mo videos of Yu-Na and Mao. I will explain it to you if you are still confused after watching the videos.
 
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