I believe both these moves are not against the Rules and should receive full base values. Esthetically, I don't find them pleasing to the eye when some skaters can subtlely take off closer to the ice and others do a nice attitude pose with the free leg for a layback. While just writing this, I just thought of the wrap around leg while jumping which is another move that is legal, and not exactly pleasant to see.
For those judges who would just give the base value can also give a plus GoE if the jump was quite high with good landing, and the layback was extraordinarily laid back with proper spin revolutions.
How do you think the above mentioned moves should be handled by the judges?