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    Why "ladies"?

    Just out of curiosity, why "ladies" not "women" like gymnastics. Why "men" but not "gentlemen" like "ladies."

    Had they ever called "men" as "gentlemen" in the FS history?

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    Ladies is a throwback to earlier times when men were men and women were ladies and were expected to act as such.

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    Most competitions now use the term 'women' rather than 'ladies'. However, I prefer the term ladies, as it sounds much more elegant.. Oh to be politically correct!!!

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    some day we'll be forced to do away with gender roles entirely. I'll enjoy the ladies event while it lasts *sigh*

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    I've often wondered why they haven't updated this in figure skating, but then I think it would seem a bit funny to call all those tiny little 15-and 16-year-old jumping beans "women". Somehow "ladies" just doesn't seem quite as ridiculous, like it can apply to the "young ladies" as well as the ones in their 20s. It always sounds a bit off to me to hear those itty-bitty little gymnasts like Shawn Johnson called "women".

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    Quote Originally Posted by libby View Post
    I've often wondered why they haven't updated this in figure skating, but then I think it would seem a bit funny to call all those tiny little 15-and 16-year-old jumping beans "women". Somehow "ladies" just doesn't seem quite as ridiculous, like it can apply to the "young ladies" as well as the ones in their 20s. It always sounds a bit off to me to hear those itty-bitty little gymnasts like Shawn Johnson called "women".
    ITA! And I'd be happy to embrace consistency by saying "gentlemen" for our male skaters!

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    In the sports world, only race car drivers are "gentlemen," as in "gentlemen, start your engines!"

    When the first lady driver participated in the Indianapolis 500 there was a big controversy about whether the announcer should use this traditional phrase or whether he should say, "ladies and gentlemen."

    The compromise was: "In company with the first lady ever to qualify at Indianapolis, gentlemen, start your engines."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    In the sports world, only race car drivers are "gentlemen," as in "gentlemen, start your engines!"

    When the first lady driver participated in the Indianapolis 500 there was a big controversy about whether the announcer should use this traditional phrase or whether he should say, "ladies and gentlemen."

    The compromise was: "In company with the first lady ever to qualify at Indianapolis, gentlemen, start your engines."


    That was a good resolution/idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    some day we'll be forced to do away with gender roles entirely. I'll enjoy the ladies event while it lasts *sigh*


    How would that work?

    e.g., "Persons with Genotype tending towards XX chromosome please take the ice and then later, persons with Y please take the ice"

    or

    Skaters with dresses and white skates, please take the ice

    Skaters with pants and black skates?


    It would not be fair to have a mixed compeition so you would have to have a way of describing the 2 categories genderless?
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    But - what about the women who wear unitards? And black skate covers??
    Bit ridiculous at times, isn't it? However, the trophies still have senior ladies or junior ladies on them (ones with decades of winners). Will we need new trophies for senior women?

    And when will we be forced to remove the male/female skater from the top of many trophies?

    I guess it will have to be "will the following (genetically) male skaters please take the ice for a 6 minute warm-up" and 'will the following (genetically) female skaters ......."

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    Winnipeg, I don't know how it works, but there are health classes all over the country who are doing away with 'gender issues' because of the 'offensiveness' of it... so who knows. I find it all rather absurd myself.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but even female speed skaters are referred as ladies in the sport.

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    From a previous discussion about this, I think that figure skating is the only sport that refers to female competitors as "ladies." All the other sports use "women."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Just out of curiosity, why "ladies" not "women" like gymnastics. Why "men" but not "gentlemen" like "ladies."

    Had they ever called "men" as "gentlemen" in the FS history?
    today while i was watching the ladie sp i was asking myself the same question!!

    ("asking myself" is correct?...my english is awful !)

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    you are correct (And your English is just fine, as another thread on here suggests, it's those of us who speak English as a first language who have the most trouble lol)

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    ^ 100% perfect English!

    I think back in the day they might have used "gentlemen's sports" in exactly that way: amateur sports practiced by the nobility and the idle rich.

    I believe that the reason "amateurism" was once regarded as virtuous (for instance as applied to the Olympics) was because "amateur gentlemen" would not lower themselves to grunt and sweat with "professional" commoners. There were grave penalties for professionals who tried to pass themselves off as gentlemen and sneak off with first prize.

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