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    this icenetwork monopoly

    how many subscribers does it have? This reminds me of when Figure Skating World forum was purchased and demanded paying subscribers. People migrated to FSU and other boards. Luckily it crashed and died. People should really boycott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exNyer2 View Post
    how many subscribers does it have? This reminds me of when Figure Skating World forum was purchased and demanded paying subscribers. People migrated to FSU and other boards. Luckily it crashed and died. People should really boycott.
    I doubt they have lots of subscribers. Even if they have 10,000 subscribers, I believe they're still in a big financial hole. $300,000 a year is not going to cover their cost of hiring internet cops to hunt down youtube videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiercemao View Post
    I doubt they have lots of subscribers. Even if they have 10,000 subscribers, I believe they're still in a big financial hole. $300,000 a year is not going to cover their cost of hiring internet cops to hunt down youtube videos.
    Well if people like you keep posting links to videos then the job isn't really that hard for them is it?

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    It's not a monopoly. These are rights they bought and paid for because no one else wanted them. The internet is the only place to see the vast majority of skating competitions these days. That's reality. Those who own rights are entitled to protect those rights. Icenetwork didn't outbid and monopolize the content. They bought what others threw away.

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    I agree with PixieGirl. IceNetwork provides a commodity and a service that no one else is interested in providing.

    I also think, however, that it is in their best interests to generate free advertising by encouraging people to post skating videos to You Tube. A rising tide floats all boats.

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    I know I am not popular with some for my views supporting IceNetwork and their right to protect their streams. Those of you who choose to delude yourselfs that IceNetwork is wrong and your desire to continue to post vids (whereever they originate from) that clearly violate their USA viewing rights clearly don't have the correct perspective. Also clear to those that support IceNetwork is that no amount of factual reasoning is going to change minds that care not to comtemplate with reason.

    All your complaining in the world however is not going to deter the continued removal of videos that violate IN webcast rights.

    Lastly I will not publicly embarrass one poster in this thread by name who came to my site and posted their filth in response to my views there. That only demonstrates total immaturity and a total lack of respect for a differing opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixie Cut View Post
    It's not a monopoly. These are rights they bought and paid for because no one else wanted them. The internet is the only place to see the vast majority of skating competitions these days. That's reality. Those who own rights are entitled to protect those rights. Icenetwork didn't outbid and monopolize the content. They bought what others threw away.
    I don't know why IN defenders keep confusing things or misleading us. IN does NOT own any right outside US, internet or not. People are complaining their ridiculous claim of rights on videos produced by European broadcast, uploaded by Europeans, viewed by Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visaliakid View Post
    I know I am not popular with some for my views supporting IceNetwork and their right to protect their streams. Those of you who choose to delude yourselfs that IceNetwork is wrong and your desire to continue to post vids (whereever they originate from) that clearly violate their USA viewing rights clearly don't have the correct perspective. Also clear to those that support IceNetwork is that no amount of factual reasoning is going to change minds that care not to comtemplate with reason.

    All your bitching in the world however is not going to deter the continued removal of videos that violate IN webcast rights.

    Lastly I will not publicly embarrass one poster in this thread by name who came to my site and posted their filth in response to my views there. That only demonstrates total immaturity and a total lack of respect for a differing opinion.
    Fine Visa, but what about the poor people in Asia/Europe or those who don't have dial up. Ice Network's monopoly isn't fair. I buy Ice Network subscription, but I'd prefer to have a choice in what product I use, quite honestly. I'd rather have Eurosport where I could have commentary.

    As I said earlier, they could easily post videos on youtube themselves and collect advertisement money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by visaliakid View Post
    I know I am not popular with some for my views supporting IceNetwork and their right to protect their streams. Those of you who choose to delude yourselfs that IceNetwork is wrong and your desire to continue to post vids (whereever they originate from) that clearly violate their USA viewing rights clearly don't have the correct perspective. Also clear to those that support IceNetwork is that no amount of factual reasoning is going to change minds that care not to comtemplate with reason.

    All your bitching in the world however is not going to deter the continued removal of videos that violate IN webcast rights.
    Lastly I will not publicly embarrass one poster in this thread by name who came to my site and posted their filth in response to my views there. That only demonstrates total immaturity and a total lack of respect for a differing opinion.
    We're not deluding ourselves. Yeah, we may not be able to deter IN from crack down on youtube videos, however we DO have some viable and great alternatives. The last time I checked, those videos are working perfectly okay!
    Well, I'm wondering how many tips you have collected by 'passing' those links to IN.

    Relax, the battle against IN is on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visaliakid View Post
    Lastly I will not publicly embarrass one poster in this thread by name who came to my site ...
    Let me guess. Who could it be, who could it be?

    But I am still interested to know your or Icenetwork's answer to this comment, posted by our much-repected mskater93:

    If IN/US Figure Skating would instead USE Youtube to generate interest again in skating instead of going after people who are posting vids there, it might INCREASE their viewership and subscribers!
    To me, this is the way to go. Make love, not war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visaliakid View Post
    I know I am not popular with some for my views supporting IceNetwork and their right to protect their streams. Those of you who choose to delude yourselfs that IceNetwork is wrong and your desire to continue to post vids (whereever they originate from) that clearly violate their USA viewing rights clearly don't have the correct perspective. Also clear to those that support IceNetwork is that no amount of factual reasoning is going to change minds that care not to comtemplate with reason.

    All your bitching in the world however is not going to deter the continued removal of videos that violate IN webcast rights.
    I don't live in the US. Unbelievable is this may seem to you, some people live in other countries! IN has no rights to deny me anything. In fact, by asserting otherwise they're denying the rights of my legal broadcaster, who may want Youtube vids to remain available in order to generate interest in their product.

    Other than that, I find it very sad that you devote so much time and energy to such a bizarre cause. Can't you apply yourself to something that's actually beneficial to people? Go volunteer somewhere. Help serve dinner at a shelter today. Do some real good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiercemao View Post
    I don't know why IN defenders keep confusing things or misleading us. IN does NOT own any right outside US, internet or not. People are complaining their ridiculous claim of rights on videos produced by European broadcast, uploaded by Europeans, viewed by Europeans.
    Well then take it up with youtube that they don't have the ability to filter their viewership by country, it's that site's lack of functionality that is causing the problems you are complaining of not IceNetwork's assertion to their exclusive internet broadcast rights to US audiences.

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    I personnaly have not subscribed to IN, but that's because this year Eurosport has started showing the GP events.
    I can understand both points of view.
    On the one hand IN did buy the rights, so it should be able to have a say in the possibilty to show vids on the net. Let's also remember that IN is many figure-skating fans' dream, as TV channels don't tend to make figure-skating a priority or show lots of events. We also should remember that for skating to survive it needs money.
    On the other, although IN has bought the rights, that doesn't mean that it has the right to dictate the viewing of figure-skating:
    a) It may stop it's own videos from being posted on sites like youtube, but could someone please explain to me, why, all of a sudden there aren't any videos from other tv channels.
    b) I don't believe the availabilty of having videos from other TV channels on the web is a real problem for IN. As already stated, it promotes the sport. Moreover these videos have commentry, which, at least if they're off French tv, is usually awful and ruins viewing.
    c) Most figure skating fans like to watch the events more or less live rather than wait sevarl days for videos to be posted, especially as not all of the programs are.

    Conclusion: IN should protect it's own images, but should not stop people from all over the world being able to see others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    I don't live in the US. Unbelievable is this may seem to you, some people live in other countries! IN has no rights to deny me anything. In fact, by asserting otherwise they're denying the rights of my legal broadcaster, who may want Youtube vids to remain available in order to generate interest in their product.
    Oh please - go and watch all of the live broadcasts on Eursport or the eurosport viewer at their website. I'm really sure that your local broadcaster would really want the feed they have paid a lot of money for to be freely available on youtube. Like i said earlier - write and complain to youtube for their site's lack of functionality. It is their inability to take videos down so that it can't be viewed froma particular country that is causing the problem.


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    I have no problem with IN, indeed, their service is offering LIVE coverage. I dont think they should be worried about youtube, what do you have there??? Just videos in an average quality at best. It's absurd! It's not other ppl's fault that icenetwork cant get more subcrisbers from abroad since their blackout restrictions. INMHO youtube is not a threat. As a subscriber, not only of icenetwork but also of webtv (I can record w it) and others (my gf likes watchin it from many angles) there's nothin like watchin LIVE, watchin the warm ups and more. C'mon, it's not the same watchin the event LIVE than a few hours later, when you already know the results and all the tension is gone.

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