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    Yuletide is Coming

    I believe Yuletide begins on 21 December this year, and is now called Winter Solstice. It is the celebration of Light because the dark days of Fall will begin to lighten up. My father used to say the days will get longer by l minute per day, but I don't believe that really works.

    The holiday is of German origin but was also celebrated throughout Europe. However, as it would be with Christianity, they put Jesus' birthday on the 25th of December to get rid of a perceived pagan holiday.

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    Hey, that's the same day Hanukkahs starts!

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    But Hanukah is a moveable feast.

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    No, Hanukkah is not a "movable" feast, it always starts on the 25th of Kislev. What you probably mean is that the Jewish calendar does not correspond to the Gregorian one, so it can be any time between late November and late December. This year, however, Hanukkah starts on the same day as Yuletide.

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    Ahh, it's calendar difference. Thanks for the info. Actually Yuletide can come within the three days of the gregorian calendar 20-22 December, but that has to do with Science and not religion.

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    Jewish calendar is actually rather peculiar, as it combines the lunar and solar approaches. Each month is either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the lunar months (in the old days the beginning of the month was announced through observation). However, having just lunar calendar would create 12 months that are 11 days shorter than the solar year. So, to make up for it, 6 of every 19 years is a leap year (literally - pregnant year) - except that instead of adding an extra day, the leap year has an extra month. Once again, in the old days this would be handled by observation - if Passover happened too early, a month would be added, but this has been standardized in the 4th century. So most of the Jewish calendar is also science-based.

    Now, why do I say "most" instead of "all"? Well, because there are a couple of exceptions to the rule. Yom Kippur should not fall on a Friday or a Sunday (because that way it would be too difficult to put together either the break fast meal or the meal going into the fast seeing as there is no "work" allowed on Saturday), and Hoshanah Rabba should not fall on Sabbath. To ensure this, an extra day is either subtracted or added to the appropriate months.

    Confused yet?!

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    I think your dad simplified how the time works with the light... and I'm sure it's different for different parts of the world... like Barrow, Alaska... they won't see the sun at all even though the days are supposed to be getting longer... that idea is counting the hours minute and seconds we see the sun... Barrow doesn't get that for another couple of months (sucks to be them)

    of course they also don't see the sun dip below the horizon after the longest day of the year either...

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    I think your dad's about right, Joe. At the lattitude of New York, the change is a little more than a minute a day in Jamuary, increasing to about twice that by the time of the spring equinox.

    In Barrow, it's about 10 minutes a day. (About 6 in Anchorage.)

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    Yes, Yule is coming. I can't wait. This is my favorite time of year. Sunday I'll get up early to meditate at sunrise and hopefully get that shot of spiritual renewal that Yule usually gives me. *gazes hopefully at her Yule tree*

    Happy Yule y'all!
    Jo, the resident pagan

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    That you, chilfreegirl. I bow to Stonehedge at this time of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    Hey, that's the same day Hanukkahs starts!
    Ptichka, do you have a good recipe for latkes? Posting one would be a public service, they're really good!

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    There are two basic schools of thought regarding latkes - some like to pure the potatoes for a homogeneous mass, whereas others like to taste the fried potato. I am personally of the latter school. I grate (on a large grate) a few large potatoes (I usually grate them into a bowl of water, let them soak for a few minutes, and then flush with cold water and drain), add an egg or two, a bit of flour, freshly ground pepper (that is not traditional, I just like a zing to all of my food), and an onion that I'm too lazy to chop and therefore just pure in a blender. Then fry and eat

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    I apologise for my ignorance but it sounds an awful lot like hashbrowns... (which homemade hashbrowns are yummy!)

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    I love hash browns too. I never heard of adding eggs to them. I just buy the frozen potatoes because I'm lazy and don't like to clean the food processor.
    I sure don't put pepper in anything. I'm allergic to it. Last time I accidently ate some I threw up all over the car when I was driving home. And it was not .

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    The difference is essentially that hash browns are one big lump whereas latkes are fried as patties. This ones look a lot like the ones I make: http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-12/21042900.jpg. Now, the ones my MIL makes look more like this: http://www.pastramiclub.com/latkes.jpg.

    GrGranny, I've been using theMagic Bullet for my blending - it has no mess, and everything fits into a dishwasher. It is coming especially handy now, when I have to pure baby food.
    Last edited by Ptichka; 12-18-2008 at 11:32 PM.

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