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Conscription: Women, Conscientious Objection, and Social Welfare
I am interested in the coscription or the draft.
- A vast majority of countries that have a conscription system call only men. Because it is practiced so worldwide, perhaps if won't violate the equality between sexes in the legal terms. Intuitively speaking, however, I feel that it is pretty old-fashioned and unfair. How would you feel if you were in such a situation yourself? I wouldn't want to go if my female counterparts are exempted.
- I read that in Germany, civil services provided by the conscientious objectors plays such a significant role in the social welfare system that their contribution is considered by some ppl as one of the rationales for the conscription to continue. I think it understandable because it would cost really a lot if the society has to pay for that labor force. But it sounds like a bit twisted situation as well. I thought it really interesting and wonder if there would be any possible alternatives.
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I wouldn't want to be, either, regardless of my sex. That's another thing.
But seriously I can't really find any reason for why not women. If they include women, the eligible populations for conscription would dramatically increase. Then they may be able to shorten the lengths of the time for each person to serve.
Last edited by Bennett; 12-18-2008 at 10:11 AM.
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Don't they include women in Israel? I think it's 3 years compulsory military service for men and 2 years for women.
The situation in Germany is easy to understand: what you have to know that till a decade ago women were not allowed to serve in the armed forces. One woman sued Germany at a European Court and won - that opened the door for women. But like I said, that was just a decade ago, so give it some time - I think they will change the system at some time so that women will have some duties too.
So there is stll compulsory military service for men here. Every man / boy gets a letter around his 18th birthday and has to undergo a physical examination at the Bundeswehr. After that, if he is suitable for military service, he has to decide if he wants to go to the military or if he wants to do some kind of alternative service. If he decides to do alternative service he has to apply for that in time and will have to work in a kindergarten, senior citizen's home or hospital for a year.
If he wants to go to the military he has to do nothing, they will get him in time. They of course let you finish school, sometimes university. The major differences between the military and alternative service are: if you are in the military you earn more and you don't have to work as long as the ones who decided for alternative service. You can't be sent anywhere during the compulsory military service, they just teach you for half the time and have you work somewhere in the country for the other half.
My dad was in the military, but he entered after completing his medical degree and they made him an officer right away. I think he stayed several years and after that was in the army reserve for two more decades.
My brother recently decided to do the military service (what is it with the men in my family?) and will start right after finishing highschool. My mum is very scared that he decides to sign up for a few more years after the compulsory part, which would mean that he will go to Afghanistan for sure.
Sometimes people in Germany question the system, but most criticism is rebuffed pretty quickly. And I don't even know why we have the compulsory military service and France, Britain and Spain e.g. don't have it. Large parts of the population just accept it as a "rite of passage".
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