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    Who said there are no pro competitions

    Here is something that I know CTV will definitely show.

    Those of you on the west coast, tickets are on sale.

    I hope this event is not replacing SEARS OPEN(as there are amatuers and professionals skaters)

    wohoo!!! but drat! I am on the wrong side of the continent.

    Oh well...

    here is the link:

    http://www.canucks.com/gm/events.asp...onID=202&id=86

    and at the THE GM ARENA.. yeah...I love that arena(re: worlds 2001)
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    mods..you can move this. I posted it in the wrong place. Sorry

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    Due to the severe decrease in Pro-Am events, I think we can make an exception

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    Is this the Combo Team (US plus Canada) against all of Europe?

    It may well be on ABC since it is around the holidays.

    Joe

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    If this competition is a pro competition, is Alexei able to skate there and at amateur competitions?

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    Originally posted by alina
    If this competition is a pro competition, is Alexei able to skate there and at amateur competitions?
    It's for the Russian Skating Federation to say, isn't it? Btw, I think he skated in that or a very similar pro competition a few years back. Didn't lose his eligibility then.

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    Originally posted by windspirit
    It's for the Russian Skating Federation to say, isn't it? Btw, I think he skated in that or a very similar pro competition a few years back. Didn't lose his eligibility then.
    What ones? And I believe the ISU has a thing or two to say about eligbility, too.....

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    When I was a kid, picking out a team to play stickball was important and also embarrasing if you were picked last.

    In figure skating I believe the teams will be picked by how much popularity they hold to get the most viewers. So the Russian Federation, imo, will more than likely use their most famous skater in the mix.

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    Originally posted by windspirit
    It's for the Russian Skating Federation to say, isn't it? Btw, I think he skated in that or a very similar pro competition a few years back. Didn't lose his eligibility then.
    Yes it is.

    A little info on sanctions. These are Skate Canada's but all federations are run basically the same.

    Skate Canada, solely, issues sanctions for it's skaters, including National Team members, to participate in all events including domestic competitions, international competitions, media appearances, and commercial events held by outside (non-member) organizations for profit only. This includes events with eligible and non-eligible participating. They also issue sanctions for individual members to participate in non-sanctioned events. These are issued under guidelines from the ISU, but, these guidelines are quite vague, with federations in reality being the final authority of their own skaters.

    I don't know whether or not Yagudin plans on remaining eligible. He said in his last interview a couple weeks ago that he is putting off eligible competition until he feels 100%. He said he still plans to do SOI and that he had a few single shows coming up.

    A couple things to consider. His federation allows him to participate in pretty much all he wants, especially IMG / Disson events. It would appear over the years his federation is the most open of all in these type of things. They do get paid for the sanction, plus, share in his appearance fees.

    It is totally conceivable that they simply view this "challenge" as another IMG ice show event. Which it is. I guess we just have to wait and see what his federation says about it. It's their call.

    Windspirit,

    Yes, he did participate in the "World Team Challenge" in '98.
    Same name, different format.

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    Of course, I don't know, I'm only guessing, but my guess is that the World Team thing is a professional event, given that the other skaters are already pro, or have expressed their intentions of turning pro.

    If this event is sanctioned, that would mean that the skaters would be judged by ISU judges. These other skaters.... are they willing to be put under the scrutiny of ISU judging once again? I'm looking at it from the angle of 11 pro/soon-to-be pro skaters against one eligible.

    Personally speaking, I'd love to see some professional competitions on TV again. I do think that no matter what rules or judging unfairness has occurred in the past, that competition has brought out the best in most if not all skaters that have taken part in pro comps in the past. (no reason it can't continue, except for sponsors and TV rights and all that, of course) I enjoy the shows, for the most part, but the comps are just more fun.

    As far as this one goes, I don't know.... your guesses are as good as mine.

    Patty S.

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    Welcome to the forum, Patty. You are the 999th registered member!

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    From what I understand, Alexei is the only skater scheduled to compete at this event who hasn't either already lost his eligibility or announced plans to do so sometime this season...so I also wonder if this means Alexei's thinking of turning pro?

    Somehow I don't think this competition is an ISU-sanctioned event (which it would have to be in order for Alexei to compete there and still keep his eligibility); since CTV hasn't been able to negotiate rights with the ISU to broadcast Worlds or Four Continents, how would they get permission from the ISU to broadcast this event...unless, of course, it's not an ISU-sanctioned event.

    Personally, I'm hoping this won't be an ISU-sponsored event because frankly, I really dislike pro-ams and I'm especially tired of seeing pro skaters (many of whom haven't competed in front of ISU judges for years!) having to go back to skating ISU-style short programs against eligible skaters (as is the case with most pro-ams). If Alexei can't compete in this event without losing his eligibility (assuming he still wants to keep it), I hope they can just replace him with Ilia (who hasn't skated in Canada since turning pro, IIRC, so I'm sure people would love to see him there!) and keep this as an all-pro event.

    BTW, this is a completely different competition than Ice Wars: while there are only two teams on Ice Wars divided by continent (or "USA Vs. the World, as was the case in all the other Ice Wars), this event sounds to me like the old World Team Championships that used to take place between 1994 and 1998.

    There were actually four different teams competing against each other at the World Team Championships (Canada, USA, Russia and Europe). Each team included a man, a woman, and a pairs or ice dance team (and in some years, there were both pairs and ice dance on each team), the teams were fairly well-balanced, the competitors were a good mix of lesser-known skaters and more familiar faces, and it was always really exciting to watch (I always thought it was more exciting than Ice Wars, IMO!) Out of all the no longer-existing pro competitions between 1994 and 1998, this is probably the event I missed the most, so I'm thrilled to death to see it brought back this season! I can't wait to see this one. :D

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    Originally posted by astimegoesby
    Somehow I don't think this competition is an ISU-sanctioned event (which it would have to be in order for Alexei to compete there and still keep his eligibility); since CTV hasn't been able to negotiate rights with the ISU to broadcast Worlds or Four Continents, how would they get permission from the ISU to broadcast this event...unless, of course, it's not an ISU-sanctioned event. :D
    This is an IMG event. Sanctioned or not sanctioned, it has nothing to do with the ISU.

    Think of it this way. Stars on Ice is a sanctioned event. In no way, shape or form does CTV, or CBC or any other network have to negotiate with the ISU to broadcast SOI.

    "Sanctioning" only means giving permission for a skater to skate. It has no relationship to ownership of the event of any kind.

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    gsk8 - you just made me happy

    Originally posted by gsk8
    Due to the severe decrease in Pro-Am events, I think we can make an exception
    and to look at Jack Nicholson...:for a second or so, I thought he was talking to me

    I gotta say you picked a very comical picture of Jack.

    p.s. I thought I figured out this new site but it seems like everytime I am away for a long time, I come back and post in the wrong place. I think I must post more frequently.

    thanks Paula :D
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    Just wanted to agree with Astimegoesby. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a pro-am. IMO, things went downhill in 1998 when the pro events were turned into pro-ams.

    I'm wondering if Yags and/or his handlers misunderstood the parameters of this competition. If that turns out to be the case, I suppose IMG could try to get Ilya Kulik. (or how about Sasha Fadeyev?)

    While I am looking forward to watching on TV (thoroughly enjoyed this even especially the first year), I am disappointed that there are no dance teams. Maybe the organizers thought that Canada would have the advantage with Bourne/Kraatz.

    Patty S.
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