With the way the words arm flailing are being thrown around here, if some people call Plushenko an arm flailer, then Lambiel must be one of the top arm flailers.
And for me, I certainly don’t consider Lambiel an arm flailer, and neither is Plushenko. There are many arm flailers out there, but Evgeni is not IMO. Both Lambiel’s and Plushenko’s arm movements are well balanced, energetic, and fit with the music.
And pose is part of artistry, like form, position, body line and stretch. I was watching Skate Canada 2006 recently and thought Tomas Verner ‘s FP in it was not so different from Tomas’ this season’s FP. Less choreography, and almost just crossing over around the rink except for straight line step sequence. And his PCS at that time was 60. Now this season he was getting 76 ( ? ) at COR with almost similar choreography. I think it’s because of reputation.
I think Plushenko’s PCS had reputation, and so do many other top skaters get reputation eventually, after they achieve a certain amount of success.
It’s just a matter of agreeing with the judges or not. IMO.
There is a world of difference, an enormous gaping void if you will, between Pluschenko's arm movements and Lambiel's arm movements. Lambiel did not flail his arms as if he was fighting balance checks left, right and centre. His movements were usually controlled and beautifully matched to the music.
Originally Posted by dancingqueen
My beef with Pluschenko's arm movements (and actually whole body movements) are that they simply did not go with the music. Same with the frenetic step sequences. Particularly his SP circular step seuqnce in the last olympic season. He did a manic footwork seuquence to the quieter/softer part of the music. It would have shown far more interpretation and skill to skate and softer less frenetic step sequence for the circular and leave the manic head banging and arm flailing for the straightline where the music matched. The fact he did this with every footwork sequence said to me he was not capable of executing crisp clean turns slowly and under scrutiny. Alot of his fast steps look like step-out and balance checks. That is the main difference between Lambiel and Pluschenko footwork.
And don't even get me started on the pelvic thrusts - Joubert take note - despite loving your SP music season - the opening pelvic thrusts make me want to puke!
I think the PCS are often reputation based where the skater bombs one program and the judges need to hold him/her up to stand a chance (like 6.0 days). I think more of an affect which Pluschenko benefitted from is - if you land the jumps, expecially the big elements (quads for the guys) then you will be given higher PCS.
Originally Posted by dancingqueen
It’s just different view. You have your own image of artistry and I see it differently. Some of Lambiel’s arm & hands movements were a little casual and his form was not always good to me even though it was with music except for his Delarion program he did in worlds 2006.
Originally Posted by antmanb
I think Plushenko benefit a lot for his PCS especially in Trino Olympics but he didn’t fall on jumps so many times like some other top skaters who fell but who were still getting high PCS.
Last edited by dancingqueen; 03-11-2009 at 12:24 AM.
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