Plushenko will honour us with his presence in 2010!

bekalc · Apr 3, 2009

Blades of Passion said:
No more so than Joubert, it would seem.

Ugh. No Daisuke is way more of a headcase than Joubert. May I point out to you 2008 worlds, where Daisuke even did an Oda (did four combos) along with the multiple screw ups. He's only had one good worlds, and even then he put himself far back enough in the short program to take it out of his hands.

I love Daisuke's skating, but I'm not convinced at all that Daisuke can rise to the challenge. I am convinced that Joubert can, in fact I think part of Joubert's problem is he pays to much attention to others and plays it safe to much. He actually hilariously enough skates his best when he's challenged.

Joesitz (RIP) · Apr 4, 2009

Joubert vs. Plushenko for Gold!! We know much about Joubert. What do we know about Plushenko since 2006? He's had a difficult divorce; his skating is limited to shows. We don't know if he is able to increase his technical since last Olys. Are there any reports on his practice? He's not the fair haired boy anymore. The judges should not quiver with the mention of his name. Will he skate 2010? Will he be fully trained?

Hsuhs · Apr 4, 2009

Meli_Huber said:
Katharina Gerboldt use Carmen for her Long Programm ... so I think, it is her music

Um. OK!

antmanb · Apr 6, 2009

bekalc said:
The others don't for Plushenko. Joubert's the only one capable of beating Plushy at 2006 level. BUT, I think Plushenko fails to perhaps see that the judges aren't going to be so forigiving with him, or so willing to have him jump in and take Gold.

How can anyone know this?

Until Pluschenko skates we will not have a clue how the judges will score him.

Ant

antmanb · Apr 6, 2009

seniorita said:
and i thought i had put you on the virtue path..thats what happens when i m away!

I know seniorita but did you see the head grabbing?? DID YOU SEE IT?? :laugh:

Ant

seniorita · Apr 6, 2009

what is head grabbing?like evan's face touching??
to be honest i was looking at somewhere else, i didnt notice anything :eek:

antmanb · Apr 6, 2009

seniorita said:
what is head grabbing?like evan's face touching??
to be honest i was looking at somewhere else, i didnt notice anything

Face touching, head grabbing, pelvic thrusting, swatting invisible flies around your head. These are all things that make me cringe when watching skating.

Ant

Dodhiyel · Apr 6, 2009

antmanb said:
Face touching, head grabbing, pelvic thrusting, swatting invisible flies around your head. These are all things that make me cringe when watching skating.

Ant

Thanks for making me laugh, Ant.

ETA: It was the invisible flies around the head that got me. So "Mad" magazine.

lol I am still chuckling. Potzrebie!

sillylionlove · Apr 6, 2009

antmanb said:
Face touching, head grabbing, pelvic thrusting, swatting invisible flies around your head. These are all things that make me cringe when watching skating.

Ant

Skating? I thought you were describing a trip to the strip club! LOL :rofl:

seniorita · Apr 7, 2009

antmanb said:
Face touching, head grabbing, pelvic thrusting, swatting invisible flies around your head. These are all things that make me cringe when watching skating.Ant

i just saw the head grabbing, yeah it is not nice

...like he wants to get rid of his head.But maybe it is a concentration move.

I liked a lot some his hand movements though..also the fact that he covers miles of ice when he jumps, i didnt see it in worlds a lot this year and it bothers me when someone jumps and almost returns on the same spot

and it is not flies, it is bees..

caran · Apr 7, 2009

Just questions......(I delete the first one because it seems not polite. Sorry for that......)

And, I forget if I have asked before......is he natural blond? because his hair color keeps changing since 1998 till now= =

Fashionista · Apr 7, 2009

caran said:
And, I forget if I have asked before......is he natural blond? because his hair color keeps changing since 1998 till now= =

Yeah, he's natural blond but hair's getting darker with age so nothing's surprising.

To your first question I even don't know how to answer. I hope it was a joke.

caran · Apr 7, 2009

Fashionista said:
Yeah, he's natural blond but hair's getting darker with age so nothing's surprising.

To your first question I even don't know how to answer. I hope it was a joke.

very thanks. it's just question about some blond guy's hair becoming darker like brown by time going, not only plushy, but also some others as Stephen Hendry (Snooker) and Jurgen Klinsmann. I always wonder if they are dying the hair or not......Sorry for my curiosity and i really don't want to offend.

Jaana · Apr 7, 2009

seniorita said:
maybe the general feeling is that joumbert deserves this time the OG but honestly for me joumbert since last olympics had only one great season with good skating.

Maybe some people think so, but I believe that no-one deserves an Olympic gold medal, it must be won.

Tonichelle · Apr 7, 2009

Jaana said:
...I believe that no-one deserves an Olympic gold medal, it must be won.

seniorita · Apr 7, 2009

Sorry it is my english, by deserve i dont mean anyone should give it to Joubert or anyone else if he doesnt win it that night, i just meant that joumbert is the most expected to win the OG according to how he skates the last few years.
For plushenko it was different for me, I was ultra happy because it was the medal he wanted after a long career. Of course if in Torino someone else had won it and still it was given to plushenko i wouldnt have liked it at all.
Personally I would love to see Takahashi coming back strong and fight for gold and by some magical way i would love to see kozuka on podium cause I adored him at worlds.And weir. If plushy comes back i need a podium with 4 places.

Buttercup · Apr 7, 2009

seniorita said:
and it is not flies, it is bees..

No, you're getting the guys confused - it was Alban who had bee issues, and he and Plushy are not at all alike :biggrin:

.

seniorita · Apr 7, 2009

preubert?

when did he have insects problems?I dont remember his lp, only his radiohead sp

you have to think of the intensity the skater acts with to get rid of whatever is around his head,in plushy's case it cannot be flies nor butterflies

Blades of Passion · Apr 9, 2009

bekalc said:
Ugh. No Daisuke is way more of a headcase than Joubert. May I point out to you 2008 worlds, where Daisuke even did an Oda (did four combos) along with the multiple screw ups. He's only had one good worlds, and even then he put himself far back enough in the short program to take it out of his hands.

Doing extra combos is not a mistake in the objective sense. It's just extra - worth nothing. CoP is simply bad and penalizes it rather than ignoring it.

Brian consistently leaves out combinations. I see that as a bigger mistake than doing extra.

P.S. - Dai was only "far enough back" in the SP at 2007 Worlds because of, yet again, bad CoP rules. His SP was beautiful and he should have won that World Championships after the LP, not Joubert.

Buttercup · Apr 9, 2009

Blades of Passion said:
Doing extra combos is not a mistake in the objective sense. It's just extra - worth nothing. CoP is simply bad and penalizes it rather than ignoring it.

Brian consistently leaves out combinations. I see that as a bigger mistake than doing extra.

P.S. - Dai was only "far enough back" in the SP at 2007 Worlds because of, yet again, bad CoP rules. His SP was beautiful and he should have won that World Championships after the LP, not Joubert.

We've had this discussion before, I believe... But here goes, most of it OT: figure skaters have rules to play by, namely the judging system. Disregarding those rules, even unintentionally, has consequences. Doing extra combinations is a mistake in that it is unplanned and offers no strategic benefits to a skater. On the other hand, occasionally watering down a program does make sense strategically, as it did for Joubert in 2007 but not in 2008 or 2009 (it wasn't that watered down, BTW: with a quad to start and all his combos after the halfway point, Brian still scored over 157, and over 240 overall). It's only a mistake if the tactics don't work; otherwise, it's neither here nor there - maybe a let down for some of those watching, but not a stupid mistake like a Zayak violation, which after five full years under CoP, nobody should be making.

I fail to see how the system left Dai far behind after the SP at 2007 Worlds. Dai chose to do a 3-3 rather than a 4-3 (bad tactics, since he can do quads) and then URd the 3T. You can't blame that on the system. I agree URs can be overly penalized because of the lower base value and low GOEs, but Takahashi's GOEs weren't that bad. He also didn't max his spin levels, while Joubert did. Dai dug himself too deep a hole and paid the price by missing out on 1st place. "Beautiful" is subjective, but technically Joubert did more in the SP and could afford to play it safe the next day (mind you, he was still recovering from an injury, so that year he and JCS probably made the right call).

I think, BTW, that both guys can be headcases, but then again, most of the guys aren't exactly models of consistency these days.

ETA: Seniorita, here's Alban's Bee SP. Plushy's arm movements would indicate a bigger threat, perhaps hornets? :biggrin:

Plushenko will honour us with his presence in 2010!

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