Plushenko will honour us with his presence in 2010!

[Buttercup]

From what i ve seen the so called plushy fans usually also liked yagudin, acknowledged his skating talent, root for other skaters too and dont complain about the times plush was defeated by yag or joubert

I have never had the impression that fans of any one skater were more or less polite or complimentary than fans of any other skater. And I'm sorry, but I have met few Plushenko fans who liked Yagudin (and vice versa). And Brian only beat him once, and it was pretty obvious the right result.

Plushenko was not a favorite of mine and I have written critical posts about his skating. I have also tried to temper this with pointing out the positive aspects of his performances and career, which were obviously many. I know not everyone does that, and some people take criticism too far. But Plush is hardly the only skater to be the focus of negative comments. The top skaters will always have fans alongside detractors.

It seems as though all of us are more sensitive to criticism and negativity directed at our favorites, be it justified or not. For instance, I like Joubert and Carolina Kostner, and it certainly gives me no joy to see harsh comments about them - and there are many, as you are probably aware, and not just about their skating. I hope that even those of us who don't like certain skaters will stick to discussing their skating - ok, and their costumes and makeup - and do so without nastiness (IMO, there is an acceptable level of snark, though ).

Mathman, I agree Chan has excellent footwork. I don't find it special as in innovative or unique - just very, very well executed. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that! But he's certainly not the only one whose feet I watch during step sequences, and he is by no means the only skater paying attention to footwork. That's like saying Stephane Lambiel was the only one paying attention to spins - when the more accurate statement is that he was really good at it.

[dizzydi7]

I've never been a fan of Evgeni. I do acknowledge his jumping ability and fast footwork. However, I've never appreciated his flapping arms during the the foot work segment of his programs. His style of skating IMHO lacked grace and artistry which to me is what figure skating is all about.

Yagudin, however was always a favorite of mine. His style of skating is more my cup of tea.

I'm not enthusiastic about an Olympic return for Evgeni because I don't enjoy his skating but then again.....I won't be forced to watch!

Dizzy

[seniorita]

buttercup i was actually replying to this post

it seems to me there's a double standard going on in this thread. If you don't like Plushy you're a hater and you don't know what you're talking about, but any other skater is fair game... not sure how that works, but oh well. What do I know.

of course I dont think any fans are more special or polite than the other, but I dont agree with the above statement about plushenko's fans also, or the flea and dog example -seemed a bit harsh to me-, and of course Joubert beat him fair and square in Euros,actually I agree with all your content of your post, i hope you didnt misunderstood my sayings

[Buttercup]

buttercup i was actually replying to this post


of course I dont think any fans are more special or polite than the other, but I dont agree with the above statement about plushenko's fans also, or the flea and dog example -seemed a bit harsh to me-, and of course Joubert beat him fair and square in Euros,actually I agree with all your content of your post, i hope you didnt misunderstood my sayings

Your post was fine - I just wanted to reply because I thought it was a good basis for discussion, and picked your post. But what I wrote was in reference to several things I saw in this thread. I think you've done a great job here explaining why you like Plushenko, and I agree the flea/dog bit was in poor taste. Someone also mentioned hating Plush, which strikes me as a pretty extreme thing to write about a skater. I wouldn't even say I hate anyone's skating. There are just some skaters that don't engage my interest, or whose style I don't care for, and who I feel are overmarked; but that's as far as I would go.

I just feel we all tend to be a bit more defensive where our favorites are concerned.

[seniorita]

I totally agree, there are some skaters that make you glue on tv and some that you can have a break at the kitchen/bathroom, since fs includes presentation is not an objective sport,by the way I said I dont like Joubert but somehow I dont want to miss a performance of him also when competition is on.
I like Patrick Chan but it is still early for him, his footwork is great technicaly and his use of edges, but probably me I m used to crossovers of Plush and I find Chan's programs too loaded, it makes me anxious!Cant help it!
Worlds are coming, spring has come , i m excited

[Dee4707]

One little, tiny thing i minded in yagudin once was the Skate Canada 2003-2004 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ZFwcpCOzc
, everybody applauded plush in Nijiinki and even more cause he was skating with both knees seriously injured,but Yag didnt even when the camera was on him.

Alexei didn't applaud anyone. He was there to announce his retirement the next day Sunday but he attended the Saturday evening events. I was there with binnoculars and guess who I was watching most of the time!!!! I think he was kind of sad because he wanted to continue to compete but his body wouldn't let him. The next day he announced his retirement and skated 2-3 numbers.

[caran]

it seems to me there's a double standard going on in this thread. If you don't like Plushy you're a hater and you don't know what you're talking about, but any other skater is fair game... not sure how that works, but oh well. What do I know.

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I suddenly has some doubts about this sentence......

If it means that, the plushy fan here always consider that "If you don't like Plushy you're a hater and you don't know what you're talking about".

or it means, If you don't like Plushy you're a hater and you don't know what you're talking about, but any other skater is fair game...it is a phenomeno here

my poor English......

[Tonichelle]

I was just referring to this thread and the underlying theme. take it how you willl.

[Mathman]

Your command of English is outstanding! I think it means both of those two things, the implication beng that Plushenko fans are in the majority -- or at least are most vociferous -- on this board.

[Tonichelle]

again, MM, it means in this thread. not the board as a whole...

but the conversation has moved on.

[Kasey]

Will believe it when I see it also. This is only the what, third? Or fourth "comeback" announcement we've heard from Plushenko the last few years. So far, the amount of actual comebacks is...uhhhh....zero

[seniorita]

I will be noisy now (vociferous), it is hard to be the fourth announcement since it has been 3 years from Olympics and Plush had said from the beginning that he wont compete in 2006-2007.
Mostly media reproduce the news every beginning, middle and end of season, and journalists ask him in e-v-e-r-y interview the question of returning even if the theme is Disneyland, plush has said lots of times I want to compete in Vancouver if I m injured free blah, blah etc, he said that he would come back this season but he didnt, now actually he hasnt spoken about it that much.
I m thinking that probably the discussion about his comeback will continue until 2014. I hope Plush sometime in future makes a party announcement saying I leave amateurs

[antmanb]

I will be noisy now (vociferous), it is hard to be the fourth announcement since it has been 3 years from Olympics and Plush had said from the beginning that he wont compete in 2006-2007.
Mostly media reproduce the news every beginning, middle and end of season, and journalists ask him in e-v-e-r-y interview the question of returning even if the theme is Disneyland, plush has said lots of times I want to compete in Vancouver if I m injured free blah, blah etc, he said that he would come back this season but he didnt, now actually he hasnt spoken about it that much.
I m thinking that probably the discussion about his comeback will continue until 2014. I hope Plush sometime in future makes a party announcement saying I leave amateurs

But he is in the youtube link earlier in the thread and clearly states that he wants to come back and the reason is that he wants to win! On that basis I think he must mean it right now otherwise he wouldn't have said it on film knowing it would be put up on youtube.

By the way i would also echo the sentiments of the poster who complimented his English - it was really good.

Also seniorita - i love having debates with you because, although we do disagree about Pluschenko, the debate is alway fun and you have a great sense of humour!

Ant

[seniorita]

Although we do disagree about Pluschenko, the debate is alway fun

so ..you like to piss me off about plushy so that you can laugh?(joke)

I know he said that, i laughed that he was so to the point, he didnt say for russia, for the experience, for my mum and my girlfriend or something, i just meant that he has said it sometimes and has been around papers a gazillion times, some weeks ago russian news said it, was translated in european papers and i must have heard it/read it in french news /eurosport etc like a dozen times, like an echo
Funny, if plush is telling lies about his comeback, imagine his nose if he was pinokio

M&D made a nice footage, plushy is very cute in that video and I loved the steps where he wipes the floor, when he speaks english he looks like a child and his nose looks smaller.

[Joesitz]

Plush is hardly the only skater to be the focus of negative comments. The top skaters will always have fans alongside detractors.

How true! and there will always be fans who find faults with the system. Like me.

I agree Chan has excellent footwork. I don't find it special as in innovative or unique - just very, very well executed. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that! But he's certainly not the only one whose feet I watch during step sequences, and he is by no means the only skater paying attention to footwork. That's like saying Stephane Lambiel was the only one paying attention to spins - when the more accurate statement is that he was really good at it.

Interesting post although not directly concerned with Plushenko.

I watched one skater In Juniors (unfortunately, I didn't make note of it) where she performed her straightline footwork from one end of the arena to the opposite one, but she went from one side of the arena to the other in a ziz zag mannter to the end. I had never seen it before and thought it was quite innovated since we have more or less accepted the Plushenko school of footwork

Her feet movements covered all the bascis but with a 'waltzy' type of style. Further innovated for me. I enjoyed all that flow together with her simple ballet arms.

I'm so used to watching the down the center of the ice, with quick basics and wild going arms (seems the standard) that it's tough to singling out the best.