02-19-2010, 08:49 PM
Waiting for on-ice perfection.
THANK YOU so much for your post. It makes me happy I hope to see Plushy in Sochi as well, and if he does decide to compete even then, I will buy myself a ticket to Russia.
Originally Posted by Nadine
Last edited by dlgpffps; 02-19-2010 at 09:39 PM.
02-19-2010, 09:21 PM
Good, I hope we see each other there!
On an entirely different note, I was disappointed how figure skating was treated at these Olympics in terms of where it was held at & the locale. The area was plain to speak "ghetto/low class". In contrast, women's hockey was held in another part of the state on a beautiful gorgeous green campus, simply breathtaking! And even the events in downtown Vancouver were high class/rich. But figure skating, omg, the worst. The equivalent in Seattle would be callled "CD area", and anybody that knows Seattle knows the "CD area" is the worst.
First off, one couldn't park at the small Pacific Coliseum, one had to park 16 or more blocks downtown. I mean you couldn't even park on the side streets because the signs said "not allowed". And if one did manage to find a parking space without such a sign (yes, we did), one was taking one's chances. Seriously, transients/thugs/et al abounded, totally trashy low class neighborhood (nothing like downtown Vancouver or the other side of the state). Then once you managed a parking space, you had to wait to catch bus 135, with standing room only. Finally, you get dropped off 2 miles (no exaggeration here) from the coliseum. You have to walk up a hill, through an entrance, more walking down a hill, up a huge uneven flight of stairs outside, then finally you enter the coliseum, and walk to your section & seats without trying to fall down the stairs. But the worst offense was the seats -- tiny, big enough for a 5 yr. old child -- that's the truth. Of course I had been warned beforehand by a kind Canadian woman that I had sold an extra pair of tickets to (had to buy 4, but only used 2, so had to sell the extra pair). But reality was another thing entirely. My gosh, worst chairs I have ever sat in my life, knees pressed up uncomfortably to the chair in front of me, all the adults crammed into our seats like sardines. Yuck. The only saving grace was the skaters.
When I pay $3300 + $40 shipping to see an Olympic event, I E X P E C T thee very best! Plush chairs, golden arm rests, classy event. And I expect the people to dress classy, like they're going to the opera, or ballet. What I saw & felt didn't even come close. The skaters deserve better than this, as well as ourselves.
And I have to be honest, I still prefer television over live. My opinion has always been unpopular on this score, but it's the truth. Television makes it more exciting, intriguing, literally in your face. Yet, that said, seeing skating live has its pluses. Namely they're right in front of you, gods come to life, especially the final group, simply unbelieveable!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02-20-2010, 04:57 AM
02-20-2010, 08:38 AM
leave no stone unturned
Thank you Nadine for the report. Your description was great, thank you. I m glad you saw Evgeni live, I dont remember my first time now how it felt, and you reminded me.
For the people who are still upset for the result, I would propose to shut internet and go for a walk at the beach or something, it helps , I did it
I m afraid to read the rest of forum, I know Evgeni will be thundered with what he has said. I hope the fever passes and he calms down and sees that he gave people joy and jumps upside down with his 3rd Oly medal, . I do anyway, it is good to celebrate for something he did than be upset for something he didnt ( we need a jumping emoticon)
02-20-2010, 10:44 AM
Hmmm, my big pic of Evgeni hasn't been showing up, even though everything looks the same in My Settings. So what I did was, after 7 yrs. of having the same quote underneath my avatar, I changed it in honor of Evgeni Plushenko, Greatest Male Figure Skater of All Time, unprecedented 3-time Olympic Medalist, only second to the great Gillis Grafstrom, whom holds the record with 4 of his own!
I'm not sad at all. I was initially for Evgeni, but that blew over real quickly when I realized that with him winning the silver medal, he became the second most decorated male figure skater of all time! And when he competes in Sochi & medals, he will tie Gillis Grafstrom, literally, as the Greatest Male Figure Skater of All Time.
God has granted him this huge honor. It is a humbling experience, and a joyous one as well to be picked for such an honor! I'm sure Evgeni knows this, and is appreciative. *smile*
ps: seniorita, I too have seen Evgeni skate live quite a few times, but that was when he skated with COI. This was the first time I ever saw him skate live in competition, and what better place to see him skate live in competition for the 1st time than at the Olympic Games!
02-20-2010, 11:59 AM
Just thinking about Evgeni's knees. If he keeps jumping quads and his knees are so bad now that he said he gets weekly injections in them, how is he going to be able to go to the next Olympics? He will be 30 or 31 by then, his knees will get worse from all that quad jumping. Will he end up like Tim Goebel, the former "Quad King" who can't skate anymore????? I wonder what is in those injections that he gets now?
02-20-2010, 12:17 PM
Gadfly and Bon Vivant
Plushenko totally front loaded his program (nothing new there) but it's one thing to front when you have two quads and another if you only have one. Lysacek also apparently had more jumps after the 2.00 minute mark. A better spaced jump layout is just one more thing he could have done and didn't to win the gold.
Originally Posted by lubov27
Where's the flip? I think a gold medalist without six different triples is worse than one with no quad.
His spins and footwork were not very good by any rational or objective standard. IINM his spins were reduced from Euros and his footwork was slow and heavy (as it has been all season).
Love it or hate it, CoP is about racking up points through all the scoring elements and not doing specified big tricks. Quads are basically an anomaly (like 3axs for ladies) and the great majority of skaters have a window or two that they can puill off quads in. By itself it's just one trick and not a prerequisite for being a champion.
When you look at the jumps closely, he was pretty off for Plushenko. It may thrill the crowd when a skater can save a jump gone wrong, but the judges are pretty much forced to break out the -GOE.
Had he skated to his full present potential, he would have won. For sure. But he didn't and I think in time he'll realize that and come to regret some of his behavior.
I still think his comeback is an amazing achievement and he should be proud of his silver. But I doubt if that's how his mind works.
02-20-2010, 12:55 PM
Worshipping at the temple of Severus Snape
I am sorry by now Plushenko came back.
The men's event would have been as dull as it can get without him. We would have had the same lacklustre winner we have now, just as we did at the World's last year and nobody would have cared apart from a few skating enthusiasts. On the other hand, he came back and suddenly it all became alive with a fierce contest. Great. Except for all the hate piled on Plushenko everywhere.
He doesn't need this silver medal. He really doesn't. A gold would be different but the silver is blah honestly for a man like him. Overall, with all the negativity and no matter how much I loved to see him come back, at this point, I am wishing he stayed 'retired'. The men's skating as it is doesn't deserve him, and he doesn't need all the patronizing comments like the one above. Oh well ... live and learn I guess.
02-20-2010, 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by Mafke
I'll simply keep quiet on this one.
At the moment he seems so pissed off he'd probably continue until Sochi simply to make a point. If it only weren't for his knees and age.
Somehow, since I began watching figure skating (actually through watching Plushenko and Yagudin in Salt Lake City) I have never doubted in him. What matters to me is what he does on ice and well... he does it like no one else.
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02-20-2010, 01:37 PM
"Where there's a will, there's a way."
That quote is a personal favorite of mine. If one truly wants something bad enough, one will make it happen by sheer force of mind & determination alone. Evgeni is testament to that. He'll find a way, never doubt him, if he wants it bad enough he *will* find a way to make it happen (lol, with a little help from Lady Luck as well, which always seems to be on his side). *wink*
Sheer anger alone will be the driving force, to show everybody that he's not done yet, don't count him out. All this hate is just fuel to keep that competitive engine running. Whatever it takes, I say, I just want him back on the ice again at Sochi, his home country. The first time Russia will host an Olympics, if I'm not mistaken. How can not the greatest male figure skater of all time be there. He will be. And I hope with a program that will blow everybody out of the water, so to speak. That's what I want, a program that does him justice, in every way possible.
Until then, I wish him well, relax & enjoy life, he deserves it.
02-20-2010, 02:03 PM
Gadfly and Bon Vivant
Give me a break. Plusehnko is a great champion, but in the past he was gracious in defeat (which happened rarely) while this time he hasn't been gracious saying in effect the rules should be changed so he could win. People have called him on his poor sportsmanship but that's hardly hate.
Originally Posted by Alatariel
For the record I'm not a Lysacek fan and wish someone else had been able win, but Lysacek has been a very gracious winner so far, refusing to return the blatant disrespect Plushenko has shown him in kind.
02-20-2010, 02:27 PM
Plushenko was in the past gracious in defeat because in the past he was righteously defeated, but now his defeat is the outcome of a scoring system that helps mediocre skaters make their way to a medal by transforming men's field into ice dancing. For God's sake I think I am the only one in this forum that used to love the men's field because of the technical superiority over women!!
Originally Posted by Mafke
02-20-2010, 02:30 PM
Oh yes... That's a point even people in my country, where figure skating in whole is not as popular, now bring out.
"The sport element, so to say".
02-20-2010, 02:30 PM
and... World Peace!
*peeks in* I think, in time, Evgeni and his fans will be able to appreciate the accomplishment of silver. It IS an accomplishment. So many injuries, so much work to come back to the sport he'd left. For another shot. Another go around. Another silver. That, I think, is more of an accomplishment than the color of the medal. (yes I realize it seems ironic coming from me considering where my favorite placed, but I was ready to say something similar about Evan. I still remember in 2005 talking with his cousin who was there to see him skate and how a friend of mine who was already a fan of Evan's - I wasn't until after the LP - how his hip/knees were holding up and his cousin mentioned something about how doctors were telling Evan he'd need to retire after 2006 with the way things were looking. And it's been an uphill battle with those injuries).
Both men have their qualities and their faults. Both are major spokesmen for their sport in their home countries. Both are passionate about competition and their fans. Both have so many traits that are the same.
Both are getting a lot of heat from all sides. So, in a way they are very much alike. I wish more fans could see it. You don't have to like the other skater or his programs, but I think there should be a more mutual respect for what they laid down the other night and what they've always strived for over the years. It's sad to see that the media's fire is what's fuelling the fan wars (it's not surprising but it's still sad). It's not easy to see a favorite "lose". I just pray, over time, we can come together again.
02-20-2010, 04:07 PM
Gadfly and Bon Vivant
If Plushenko's jumping was so great, then why couldn't he do a flip or any late program jumps and why were so many jump landings wonky? It's not like he was a complete athletic jumping package on the night. He staked too much on a single element that wasn't up to his own standards.
Originally Posted by Smuusik