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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    why, whats wrong with this one?
    We only need 150 more posts to make a 1,000. Probabaly one of the largest, if not the largest thread in Goldenskate. We could make history right here.

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    so you mean that Chopin needs something more simple and natural in style, something smooth and dont make it look difficult. This is it you meant?If it is it is a really good thought about plushy, i will think of it. I m thinking he will have not to skate like tosca but then maybe he wont skate to nocturne so i dunno.

    I know dee with kill me for this but yag for me had not the natural programs you said, although being the second favorite when he was around. While on tarasova it gave me the impression that his expressions like pain, smile etc were choreographed which was the only tiny thing i minded and prevented me for enjoying him 100%, the one thing i dont feel about plushy even if he skates angry as Joe says, it doesnt seem programmed. For the record neither Jouby gives me the impression of choreographed emotions. Maybe my issue is with Tarasova, i dont know.
    Patrick Chan I thought the opposite, that he makes diificult steps and make them look easy, although his style I cannot follow much...he makes me feel anxious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    I know dee with kill me for this but yag for me had not the natural programs you said, although being the second favorite when he was around. While on tarasova it gave me the impression that his expressions like pain, smile etc were choreographed which was the only tiny thing i minded and prevented me for enjoying him 100%,
    What!!!!!

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    oh no wait , I mean my second favorite skater!
    in his day yag was the king and plushy the little prince

    for you http://images.google.be/url?source=i...Ozy7MXaXB_Rcjg
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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    but yag for me had not the natural programs you said, although being the second favorite when he was around. While on tarasova it gave me the impression that his expressions like pain, smile etc were choreographed which was the only tiny thing i minded and prevented me for enjoying him 100%, the one thing i dont feel about plushy even if he skates angry as Joe says, it doesnt seem programmed. For the record neither Jouby gives me the impression of choreographed emotions. Maybe my issue is with Tarasova, i dont know.
    Patrick Chan I thought the opposite, that he makes diificult steps and make them look easy, although his style I cannot follow much...he makes me feel anxious.
    I actually think the opposite--for me, what I liked about Yagudin was that his genuine emotions and passion actually shone through his choreography (OK, I know that sounds cheesy), particularly when he was on. If you watch programs like his 2001 Worlds SP or his his 2002 Euros SP, I think it's hard to say that those expressions are choreographed! Also, I couldn't help being a fan of Yagudin when he actually skated one of the very few Tosca programs I've ever liked--despite all the jump bobbles he had at the 2000 Worlds, there was such a natural ease to that program and it didn't seemed over the top or forced at all...unlike 99% of the Tosca programs we see.

    But then again, what do I know...I was a total Yagudin fan in the Yags-Plushy wars.

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    But then again, what do I know...I was a total Yagudin fan in the Yags-Plushy wars.
    i was not in the rival so much cause i liked them both maybe?didnt see it as war, and i was happy with every result. Also greek commentators didnt enhance rival at all, i remember them speaking grandiose for both so they passed me that feeling through tv.So i had two fav skaters winning golds and silvers!
    I was thinking about programs like broken arrow (my fav) , iron mask and gladiator when spoke about choreographed emotions, certainly not winter!
    I just think plushy was most fav for me between the two cause he was younger and had a yellow head:o, seemed exotic at the time. Then I learnt to appreciate his skating also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    i was not in the rival so much cause i liked them both maybe?didnt see it as war, and i was happy with every result. Also greek commentators didnt enhance rival at all, i remember them speaking grandiose for both so they passed me that feeling through tv.So i had two fav skaters winning golds and silvers!
    I was thinking about programs like broken arrow (my fav) , iron mask and gladiator when spoke about choreographed emotions, certainly not winter!
    I just think plushy was most fav for me between the two cause he was younger and had a yellow head:o, seemed exotic at the time. Then I learnt to appreciate his skating also.
    Well, fluff pieces like this one certainly fostered a bellicose atmosphere

    Anyways, I definitely liked Yagudin better but I grew to appreciate Plushenko as well--I very much enjoyed his Carmen LP at the 2002 Olympics, and his St. Petersburg 3000 LP.

    And janetfan--Plushenko was indeed a phenomenal jumper (I'd say Yagudin was more of a power-jumper as opposed to the effortless type) but I'd say the most effortless jumps of all belonged to Ilia Kulik, especially when he did his trademark spreadeagle into triple axel

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    Well, fluff pieces like this one certainly fostered a bellicose atmosphere

    Anyways, I definitely liked Yagudin better but I grew to appreciate Plushenko as well--I very much enjoyed his Carmen LP at the 2002 Olympics, and his St. Petersburg 3000 LP.

    And janetfan--Plushenko was indeed a phenomenal jumper (I'd say Yagudin was more of a power-jumper as opposed to the effortless type) but I'd say the most effortless jumps of all belonged to Ilia Kulik, especially when he did his trademark spreadeagle into triple axel
    1. I love that fluff piece. The melancholic music, the singing. Yagudin's English with massive Russian accent, Plushenko speaking Russian. Everything in dark colours, Master Mishin oozing wisdom (Oh my god, I have not watched this since I started learning Russian, it is even better now I do not have to read the subtitles all the time!)

    2. I also liked Yagudin better, but I still appreciated Plushenko a lot.

    3. Kulik's jumps rocked - such a talent!

    4. Thanks for teaching me a new word - bellicose - does not happen often these days that I meet an English word that I do not know.

    5. Plushenko has a sexy voice
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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    And though I was not a big Elvis fan, he skated with the flu and a groin injury and I think he might have won had he been healthy. Yags had the flu and fell apart in his LP.
    Yeah well, Stojko was a seasoned extremely experienced skater - and Yagudin a 17-year-old boy in his second senior season.

    I love Kulik's show programs from an artistic point of view a lot. Technically he was fantastic from age 16 or so, but his amateur programs do not impress me as much as his exhibitions and later his show numbers with SOI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    Anyways, I definitely liked Yagudin better but I grew to appreciate Plushenko as well--I very much enjoyed his Carmen LP at the 2002 Olympics, and his St. Petersburg 3000 LP.
    I felt the same. Sometimes, I even felt that if Plushenko did not make those mistakes in his 2002 Olympics LP, and skated steadier, he might be first in LP. Yagudin was a clear winner overall, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jennylovskt View Post
    I felt the same. Sometimes, I even felt that if Plushenko did not make those mistakes in his 2002 Olympics LP, and skated steadier, he might be first in LP.
    Would that have made a difference based on his SP???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee4707 View Post
    Would that have made a difference based on his SP???
    No, it wouldn't affect the outcomes of the final result. Yagudin was still the gold, Plushenko was silver, and Tim was bronze. I just thought that Plushenko might be able to win the LP.

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    Wow I havent seen this fluff for a long time, so much drama from Nbc( and the 2006 plush profile, i love it) boys look great and plushy looks like baby there, it just hit me I grew old!
    I like this fluff a lot, yag has sexy voice too, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGE6aMtfw9E but they included plushy's fall exactly when they say the world champion , coincidence? :sheesh: And Honda is there, it has been so long
    And no, whatever plushy had done in 2002 it was Yag's moment. I would have given him the olympic medal just right after winter. But i liked Plushy à la Carmen very very much.

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    I thought the music in The Pianist would be very suitable for Plushenko. He has the capacity to make the program great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennylovskt View Post
    I felt the same. Sometimes, I even felt that if Plushenko did not make those mistakes in his 2002 Olympics LP, and skated steadier, he might be first in LP. Yagudin was a clear winner overall, of course.
    Yag was last to skate in the LP. Even if Plushenko had managed to stay clean in his 'Carmen', Yag would simply have jumped in his LP everything he had planned and, as a result, overjumped him. Plushenko had no, even infinitesimal, chance to win from Yag at those Olys, Yag was a head and shoulders stronger and better.
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