If yagudin was not feeling threatened by Plush he wouldnt have left for Tarasova and wouldnt have changed to skater he became afterwards.They both were fighting eachother and each season trying more and more, and first years Plushenko was a youngster trying to catch up cause he came out to seniors two years after yagudin.
When he finally started to win, what was injustice?plushenko in 2000-2001 had a fabulous season, yag was not having a great season, thats all. And that was not the only season Plush won against him. In 2000 he was doing great everythign except his meltdown at worlds. It didnt matter for me who won what and how many times, the best of them two everytime won, thats a sport and it is healthy.
Yag has said that his bad 2001 season and the dominance of plush was what pushed him to work harder and win the Olympic Medal. And Plush after 2002 said " I now look back and there is none" as arrogant as it sounds it was sincere and true. He had not someone to challenge him to try something more. That was not his fault. Joubert considered his next rival, was trying better when Plushenko was in games, great example Worlds 2005.
I agree with kudryavka, they were athletes that had the same goal, speaking about a rival like a flea and dog is a but ridiculous, just my opinion. Every athlete wants to be challenged.
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A thousand pardons to all Yags' fans. His skating was, for me ,much better than Evgeni's.
I appreciate the skating of many figure skaters. There are so many ways of being good; but, first, last, and always, I am a Yagudin fan.
Fashionista Let's not belabor my likes and dislikes. It's me and I was wrong to say that Yags had only one good skate in his competitive career. His 'Lawrence' was superb. The phrase, 'I'll eat my words", is admittedly that I made an error in judgement. How many posters can admit that?
I can understand Yag's atittude for Plushy. Because he was a person concerned of the Y/P war. But you (Of course, me too) are just audience. The thing which we know are only the tip of the iceberg. We don't know what happened between them.
BTW, I can imagine why Yag hated against Plushy (and Mishin.) I guess that is not only for sports. Once, Yag have been saying that Mishin is like a father. However Mishin had not chosen him. This was a terrible shock for Yag, who don't have dad. It seems an one of the cause of their relationship.
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Well, isn't Yagudin too clement and kindly to hate Plushy, so his fans do it for him? Some people may believe they know the truth, by means of the newspaper or television or PM or anything they read or watch or listen.
And every hero need a devil on his contrary, just as Harry Potter has Voldemort as enemy. The behaviour to present the love to one and detest to another whenever and wherever is understandable, especially when one of them has topic recently.
btw1, I feel Plushy's attitude to Yags very cute. I hope they can keep the chill relationship instead of being friends
btw2, about the metaphor, I'd like Yags to be dog and Plushy to be cat
Their view of the world are very simple. "One day, a bad guy was killed by the hero. We're all happy. Because we know everything about the guy through rumors. According to them, the guy was such nasty!! It pissed me off, isn't it?!! The hero is absolutely right. - Happy ending." They know "everything" about their scapegoats through the other people's eye
And BTW you must have missed the whole 1998-1999 and 2001-2002 seasons -AFAIR the majority of Yagudin's skates were perfect. Unlike all the others'.
because i had my doubts if i remembered right when i answered about plushy in 2000(nothing to do with rival with Yag), from wikipedia, plush was winning the first place from beginning of season 1999-2000 , whole season 2000-2001 and 2001-2002 until grand prix final, so it was not an excuse of injury of his rivals or luck, 16 out of 17 competitions he came first, with one interval of Worlds 2000 where he didnt lose only to yag but he popped the whole program big time, so he also lost to himself.
Out of subject, can anyone tell me when quad was introduced in sp?was ti 1998 or 99, i cant find that info.
They are not as good as Navka and Kostomarov or Brian Joubert, but I still like them.
It's not just the medals that I admire. btw, do you like any skater who is not Russian?